No NHS, No Loyalty, No Chill – TV Characters in Crisis and more

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hello, hello, hello, everyone. Welcome back to our isekai, where we discuss things that matters to us from TV shows, TV series, anime films and anything that's of interest to us. [00:00:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:00:11] Speaker A: So this week we're keeping. Oh, before that, I am your overpowered MC Uchena. [00:00:16] Speaker B: I'm here still for Vibes fave, but I'm in better mood this week than I was last week because I was exhausted last week. [00:00:22] Speaker A: All right. [00:00:22] Speaker B: Truly exhausted. [00:00:25] Speaker A: And we are staying. Keeping. Keeping with the same format. Format as we did last week because I think I rather quite enjoyed that. [00:00:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it was a good episode. [00:00:35] Speaker A: Yeah. So. So last week we did anime, and this week we're kind of focusing on TV series. We're kind of focusing. We are focusing on TV series this week. And so just to remind again what the format is, we have the main segment and we've kind of divided that into three. So we have betrayals. What's the next one? [00:00:57] Speaker B: Side characters. [00:00:58] Speaker A: Side characters are still the show. And so we have two betrayals each. And five characters. Side characters are still the show. Then the third one is NHS help ins or social services Help ins characters that we think if they'd gotten the help that they should have gotten, then. [00:01:15] Speaker B: You know, would have been better people. Yeah, would have been better people. [00:01:19] Speaker A: And then we've got red light, green light is normal. And then we've got this or that. This week we don't have a ship. It. Skip it. Because I have something this or that. This week is actually. It's quite interesting, I think. [00:01:30] Speaker B: Okay. [00:01:30] Speaker A: Anyway, I think it's quite different. It's more scenario based. So I'll give you a scenario and we'll say this or that. Like, pick one. [00:01:36] Speaker B: Which one? Okay. Yeah. [00:01:37] Speaker A: All right. Okay, so you go first. Who's your betrayal? [00:01:41] Speaker B: So my first betrayal is Eve stabbing Villanelle in season one finale of Killing Eve. So at this point, they've established a relationship. I'd like to say, like, they have an understanding. So Eve knows why Villanelle does what she does. Villanel Eve. And they're laying on bed and they were having this moment where Villanelle's like, I. I've come to love you. And he was like, me too. I've come to love you. Because obviously they've been having, like this cat and mouse kind of game. And then as they're lying in bed, Eve stabs Villanelle. And she was not expecting it. And I was like, but that. We knew she had a knife, but we had. We. I thought she had a Knife of protection. Not because she was gonna stab Villanelle in the end, which is what happened. So, yeah, that was my first betrayal that shocked me. [00:02:24] Speaker A: Anyway, like, what happened? What was the cause? Was there a reason why she stabbed her or. I mean, and from what I know, Villanelle is not a good person. [00:02:32] Speaker B: Villanelle is not a good person. But at the point of where we were in that episode, it was understanding, well, from my point of view that. [00:02:40] Speaker A: They were not going to attack each other. [00:02:41] Speaker B: Yeah, that was a conclusion that came to. Yeah. So it was like unspoken agreement between the two of them. [00:02:46] Speaker A: Villanelle killed her friend, that guy, right? She did, yeah. No, not having that. [00:02:50] Speaker B: They had an unspoken agreement that at that point they were not going to fight. They're not going to attack each other. They were just going to rest on the bed because they were both exhausted. All the fighting, all the chasing, all the hiding. [00:03:02] Speaker A: Is that what Maven and I then decide? Oh, she was going to kill Eve? [00:03:06] Speaker B: Yeah. In a set in season two. Yeah. Because she was like, you, like you're natural bitch. Like, we had an agreement that we're not going to fight and who you are. [00:03:12] Speaker A: It's so odd because for a killer, she actually has, from what I've seen so far this season, when she has really weird principles, she has like strict laws. Does that make sense? Did you ever notice that she has a sense of justice, personally, on her own. [00:03:28] Speaker B: She likes to have fun. [00:03:29] Speaker A: She does. [00:03:29] Speaker B: If something bores her, she's not going to do it. She actually tells you that's a bore. She keeps it moving. [00:03:37] Speaker A: Okay, interesting. All right. My first one is Game of Thrones. Ned Stack and Littlefinger. One of the most shocking. I remember watching it and just being like, what Ned Stack was meant to make it. Like Ned Stack's like the main guy and it was just head chopped, rolled off right into the bag in front of the kids. [00:03:57] Speaker B: But I feel like Littlefinger just betrays everyone. He has no loyalty. [00:04:00] Speaker A: No, but like, it was so shocking. Like. I know, but it was. I just didn't expect it because, like they'd been. He had plotted, plotted with Ned to kind of release the secret about the incest thing. Right. And let them be like, oh, those kids are not Robert's kids type thing. Right. And like, as a normal viewer, there would be bad stuff that happens. Like obviously if you haven't read the book or whatever, bad stuff happens and then the good guy wins. The good guy went winning with this one. When I say I was shocked, I was shocked. I remember What Baelish said. What Lord Baelish said. He said, I did warn you not to trust me. [00:04:36] Speaker B: He knows himself. As I said, Littlefinger has a reputation of betraying everyone. It wasn't just one person. It was everyone he betrayed. [00:04:44] Speaker A: And since then, I'd had him in mind. And you know when that thing, when Cersei did the power is power thing, I said, yeah, yeah, bitch, you better know your face. Because like, he thought because he did her such a huge favor, he had something on her. But she showed him for real. He should have picked properly, but he clearly didn't. He had selfish interests and he thought he was going to get Sansa poor him. Honestly, it was. It was. It was shocking. Very shocking. What's yours next? [00:05:15] Speaker B: Our next one is Sylvie and Loki. Season one of Loki finale when they finally get to the end of time and they're about to divorce this. So Loki was like, we're not going to kill he who remains. That will just offset the balance of the world. Sylvia was like, I want to and want to. And she was like. And then they came to a conclusion, like, no, okay, I will not kill him because we've said it'll be catastrophic for the world. And then this bitch, as they're about to go through the portal, shoves Loki out of the way and she says, imma do what I want. You can stay here though. Goes in the portal, kills he who remains. And Loki was like, bitch, I thought we had an agreement. Because he loved Sylvie, honestly and truly. I actually ship them together. To be honest, I still ship them together to sue lizards that say they're the same person. [00:06:01] Speaker A: It's a bit strange. [00:06:02] Speaker B: I know they're the same person, but Sylvie is a girl, you know. Though Sylvie is some. She's actually one of my favorite. [00:06:08] Speaker A: Like, no, she's. [00:06:09] Speaker B: She's one of the fantastic characters, Sylvia. She's very complex in her thinking and her. The way she acts. She's amazing. But yeah, the whole shoving Loki out of the way and then going to still kill he who remains, I don't think Loki will still like, coming. I think we didn't see it coming at that point either. Like, there's an inclination that she. We knew that she could because we. She had said it from the very beginning, I want to kill him. I want to kill him. But at that point we thought, I thought from my perspective, that she was. That she was. She has softened up, as one would say from being with Loki all this time and coming to a different conclusion, that maybe they do need human remains Maybe not the. What's it called? The Time People. [00:06:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:06:51] Speaker B: Maybe the Time People weren't needed to kill off the different branches and kill off all the variants as per se, but they did need a sense of order for the world to continue running. [00:06:59] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a good one, actually. I think, because, like, from a personal vendetta side of things, I kind of get what. [00:07:07] Speaker B: Yeah, I get it. She was very constant in her speech and her actions. [00:07:13] Speaker A: I don't know how bad Loki took it. Like, I don't think he took it as that much of a betrayal. Like, yeah, it was a betrayal, but I think in the grand scheme of things that Loki himself has done. [00:07:24] Speaker B: I mean, I know, but he didn't like a girl before he liked Sylvie. That's a heartbreak one and one. In fact, for some men, that heartbreak is a whole star of a villain. Sega Fair Pay. Yeah. [00:07:36] Speaker A: Then go for Lucas. [00:07:38] Speaker B: Like, they get their heartbroken. They'll be like, we're in this world. But Loki was like, no, no, no, I understand. This girl, she did what's best for her. I'm still gonna save her and this world I was going to burn three weeks ago. [00:07:49] Speaker A: That's funny. Loki is so funny. [00:07:51] Speaker B: But that's what he wanted to do three weeks prior was to burn the world. [00:07:54] Speaker A: Yeah. No, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. Right, so my next one is Serena sleeping with Nate, her best friend's childhood love, Raggedy Bitch. I think that's my favorite thing now. [00:08:08] Speaker B: Anyway, I have mine, too. [00:08:10] Speaker A: A grade A red flag. Raggedy Bitch. Serena Williams. Van Der Woodson. Sorry, Vanderpump. Vander. Woodson. Vander. Yeah, Van der Woodsen Wood. Like, W O O D S E N. Vander. Anyway, her. Serena. Right. So you know the story that was kind of what started the series, right? She lives with Nate at, like, some random wedding, and then she flees the city, and then she comes back, and then that was when it started. And then obviously, it's like this tension thing, and she's doing this whole woe is me. I feel so guilty about what I've done, but nobody knows what I've done. And even Gossip Girl wasn't even the one that told Blair about this. Serena didn't tell Blair. Nate confessed and told her on her birthday. [00:08:52] Speaker B: That's bad timing on his behalf, honestly. [00:08:54] Speaker A: And she had intended to, you know, have sex with him for the first time, you know, her first time. And she's. He had this whole thing planned out, and then he told her, like, out of guilt because, like, his dad has been like, oh, you need to do the right thing. Side eye. Cause it comes from his dad. But anyway, Nate tells the truth out of, like, some weird guilt thing. Really bad timing. If you're gonna tell her, just tell her, like, from the start, while Serena was away. So, like, Serena doesn't come back feeling all guilty or whatnot. Like, they needed to just started on smoke, you know? Or at least Serena should have come back and told her what she had done. And she confronts her, and she's just so, so heartbroken that, you know what she does? She slits. Chuck Bass. My girl was so down. She was down bad. Blair was down bad, bro. I felt so bad for her. It was so messy. I love it. But Serena was never really a good friend to Blair anyway. And I was kind of glad that Blair ended up dating Dan at some point as well, because. And their relationship was actually better, in my opinion. I'm going to die in that hill. Because their relationship was so grown. They helped each other. They communicated. Like, you could tell that she'd been through a lot, obviously, right? And Dan, like, care. Well, it was a bad idea to make Dan Gossip Girl. He's. In my opinion, Dan was never. Is never Gossip Girl because that would just make him a horrible person. And I just. I just can't. He's this, like. To me, he's like this nerdy guy who, like, likes to look down on the rich people, but he's a weirdo himself. Like, he wants to kind of be like. Like them as well and a bit of a hypocrite. Nerdy is the word I'm looking for. Like, he is one of them, technically, but he feels like he's not because, like, he's sarcastic or something and smile, whatever, but he's just like them. But yeah, that's. That's my. That's my second betrayal because obviously it kind of started the show, and it started, like, their huge fight where they started fighting for, like, the kin, like, you know, the queen bee position at school. And that was. That was legendary. So much fun. Serena, the queen of I did something bad. Now I'm feeling guilty about it. Have feel sorry for me off. Anyway, next part. [00:11:11] Speaker B: So side characters who stole the show. [00:11:13] Speaker A: Damn strange. [00:11:14] Speaker B: So starting off strong, we have Samantha from Sex and the City. Sex and the City. Samantha is an icon. She should be our main character because I would prefer her story to carry story. Carrie. Carrie was just, you know, just Carrie. She was, in my opinion, a pick me, don't come for me. But she was. She was a side mistress she begged a man to come back for her. She went to Paris. One man who didn't want her and then married the man that didn't want her. Say what you will, but the evidence is there. [00:11:44] Speaker A: No, no, no. I think lately anyway, the. The general consensus online is that Curry is a bit of a pick me. [00:11:51] Speaker B: She wasn't the best of. [00:11:52] Speaker A: She's not the greatest character. [00:11:54] Speaker B: She was not the greatest character. Like, even her betrayal. Not betrayal. And how she acted as a friend. I didn't think I liked her. But Samantha was a girl's girl, often through and through. Like when Miranda had a pregnancy and she didn't feel confident, she gave her her hair appointment to make her feel better. When. What's her name? The other one? [00:12:12] Speaker A: Charlotte. [00:12:13] Speaker B: Charlotte, yeah. When Charlotte was going through her period, like her moments, Samantha was always there for her. She was the only one who, like, she was always the person that encouraged everyone in the group, regardless of the decisions they made. [00:12:24] Speaker A: She's okay with what they each wanted to do. [00:12:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:28] Speaker A: She was her PR person, wasn't she? She got Carrie all the opportunities that she got. You know, the whole. The boss thing. She got carried out. [00:12:36] Speaker B: So even, like her story is so fascinating, like for how she deals with her relationships, how she deals with her personal herself and as well her growth as a character. It was so much. It was a far more interesting story for me to actually pick up. Like, not pick up on, but anchor on too, instead of carries. [00:12:54] Speaker A: But it's interesting though. I think that was probably why lots of people liked her. Right. Or that's why I also liked her because she was just. She said what was on her mind and she did whatever she wanted to do. Like, fuck what society said. [00:13:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:05] Speaker A: And Carrie, I think she. She probably had this idea of what she wanted her life to be and she tried to. To go for that rather than. And, well, I think in the while, in the middle of doing that, she lost herself a little bit. Or do you think that that's just who she was? [00:13:23] Speaker B: I think that's. That's Carrie and herself. Because even if you like. I think if you watch the. I haven't finished watching this new. The new Sex and the City. To be honest, I've only watched like the first five episodes of the new season, so I don't know. But her personality carries forward even after Big passes away. So I just think that's her. Her personality, that's just her character. It has nothing to do. I. I completely understand having a gold mine of how you want your life to be that. Because I. We're all. We're all chasing a version of that in our various ways. But. But I feel like the way she. She was handling things, I couldn't see my. Because I couldn't see myself doing those things. I couldn't empathize with her. But because I can see myself in Samantha, I can't. I can see myself in some of Samantha's ways of thinking. Like, I can. I can rationalize Samantha's actions. I. That's why I liked her story better. Okay. [00:14:13] Speaker A: No, no, she definitely. She definitely, definitely stole the show. I remember, like, she had like this relationship. Was it with Richard, the. The rich guy who, Who I think he ended up cheating on her. And she was just like. She dumped him. Pretty much. Yeah. And she, She. I think she was a. What she said is how she was backtracking, you know, I mean, she did have a few moments of second guessing herself, but we're all human. That's fine. But she was always who she presented herself to be. [00:14:41] Speaker B: She was always honest. Like, even the time when she was dating the young model, she was like, mate, I'm a whole 10 years older than you. Are you sure it is me you want to date? And he was like, I'm all for you. And even after they broke up, they had such a good relationship afterwards. Like, the breakup was sad to see, but it was meant to be. Like they were. [00:15:00] Speaker A: I think another character on there that I think is a few people's favorite as well is Charlotte. [00:15:05] Speaker B: Charlotte was such a babe. Honestly, she's so heartwarming. [00:15:08] Speaker A: Who. She just as well said she was who she was. [00:15:11] Speaker B: Yeah. Charlotte also is a girl's girl. I think everyone was a girl's girl. Paul, Bar, Carrie. [00:15:16] Speaker A: Really? [00:15:17] Speaker B: Yeah. I think even Miranda, in her own way, was there for her friends, but Cara was poor. I don't think it has anything to do with money. It's everything to do with character. Because there were times where she brought Charlotte down. That's not to do with money. That's character. [00:15:28] Speaker A: Yeah. And there were certain times she asked for certain things. I was just like, girl, what are you doing? [00:15:32] Speaker B: I don't think being a girl's girl has anything to do with money. I think being a girl's girl is about who you are as a person and how you interact with other women. [00:15:37] Speaker A: Do you reckon that some of it was maybe for content? I mean, for the. [00:15:41] Speaker B: Potentially, Yeah. I mean, there has to be someone doing bad things for us to wish something good's gonna happen. [00:15:46] Speaker A: Right. Like, and she did intentionally do Certain things and put herself in certain situations for her blog. [00:15:53] Speaker B: Yeah, she did. [00:15:54] Speaker A: So I think that there's an aspect of maybe self sabotaging there as well also, to start with. Right. She didn't know Big was otherwise engaged or was with someone else. [00:16:05] Speaker B: No. But when she did, she continued when she found out. [00:16:07] Speaker A: Yeah. She didn't sign. [00:16:08] Speaker B: She continued. Yeah. [00:16:10] Speaker A: But I can justify and say that for the plot. [00:16:13] Speaker B: For the plot, indeed. [00:16:15] Speaker A: I think I'm trying to see how else you could justify her behavior because for a time that obviously the boss dinner of the show, again, Sex and the City kind of came out, it would have made sex. It would have been a lot more scandalous. Right. If the main character was Samantha, it should have been Samantha because she was Sex in the City. [00:16:36] Speaker B: Samantha was Sex in the City. Yeah. [00:16:37] Speaker A: Samantha was the real sex. Sex in the City. Kairi was just. She wanted to settle down. [00:16:42] Speaker B: She did. [00:16:43] Speaker A: Yeah. Right. So it doesn't make sense that she's Sex in the City, but her blog was about that. I know, I know. But I think they must have had to have made a few adjustments. Suit to the story, because maybe society wasn't ready for something like that, but. Yeah, no, no, Samantha was definitely a favorite for a lot of people. She was funny. She was very, very clear. She had her rules, she had a way of life and. Yeah, yeah. [00:17:05] Speaker B: She had her standards. [00:17:06] Speaker A: Yeah, she did. She did. And money was cling to that woman. I love her for that. My first one is a. Is a cute, cute. I don't know, it's Daryl Dixon from the Walking Dead. He wasn't in the original comics, this character, and he was meant to be this, like, rough around the edges, like, rough guy, rough background, and he wasn't. I didn't think he was meant to be likable, but he really was. He was very rugged. He had like this. He used like this a bow, you know, a short bow. And that was just something about it. He had like long hair, longish hair, and like, he was southern and rugged and he was quite charming. He was like a hillbilly. Like a charming hillbilly. [00:17:55] Speaker B: Oh, interesting. [00:17:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Like someone that. I'm not gonna say what I was gonna say, but anyway, he. He always survived and he was just very likable. Like, he was. He was very charming. Like, I don't know if I would say he was more charming than Rick. I wouldn't go as far as that, just to be honest. Yeah, no. Yeah. Because sometimes Rick would make really stupid decisions that you are just like, what are we Doing here, Rick? What was the mission? Like, what was the reason? But Daryl. Daryl, the more you watched him, the more he grew, the more he helped people, the more he was very accepting. And you just, like, wanted to embrace him. And he never really made super, super selfish decisions. Most of the other characters did. Really. He did. And I think that's probably why a lot of people kind of gravitated towards him. And they were in, like, the Walking Dead, the zombies, and so they all have to kind of live together and, like, survive together. And he would look after the kids. He would. He'll be there to do, like, the security guards. It would save people. He had this weird relationship thing with this weird old lady, and that was kind of cute. Yeah. No, Dara is a real one. So that's why I think he stole the show. And. Yeah. See you next. [00:19:10] Speaker B: On to my next. So my next one is Eli Pope, our scandal. The first time we see him, he has a presence about him. I think he's very. He shocks us with everything. His interactions with B16 and his interaction with Olivia herself and Olivia's team. Like, he keeps you on edge. We didn't really see much of him, but when we. But we heard a lot about him, and each time we heard a lot about him, it was like, oh, tell us more about this man who happens, who is your father? And I was like, oh, he's into dinosaurs. Interesting. [00:19:43] Speaker A: I was like, well, at first, we don't know. At first we're introduced to her dad, and then we know of command, and then we find out that they are one, the same person, and it's just. [00:19:55] Speaker B: But that's why he steals it. [00:19:57] Speaker A: Like, he does his presence stand out speeches. [00:19:59] Speaker B: His presence is everything. Like, you don't need. You don't need to know who he is. But just the mention of his name, it just. It carries. [00:20:06] Speaker A: It does. Like, even she was scared of her dad for a while. Yeah. [00:20:10] Speaker B: So, Eli Pope, you are a scary man, but you are a real one. You are. Honestly, if a man was to stand on principles, he'll be the pinnacle of. I stand on principles. [00:20:21] Speaker A: Do you remember that speech he had with Fitz? You are a boy. [00:20:29] Speaker B: It's a business voice. Honestly, it carries everything. [00:20:32] Speaker A: Oh, my God. A boy. Something, something. I was doing so and so when you wrote a thought in your father's testicles, and he was like. Because obviously he'd been arrested, and Fitz kind of came to, like, gloat, and he was just like, you think you've got me. [00:20:51] Speaker B: I'm wearing one to be Right now. [00:20:55] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. [00:20:56] Speaker B: Eli Pope was fantastic. Olivia's mother as well. Oh, God damn. Just. Just the Popes in general. Just the Popes. The Popes. There is something about you that whatever you instilled in Olivia, I. I appreciate that because she made a show what it was. But you two made her like an assassin. As a mother, command as a father. I mean, how could I not win a channel? [00:21:20] Speaker A: How could I? Yeah, and it's the fact that they were training her and not really training her as a child that, to me is just. That's crazy. [00:21:29] Speaker B: That's such a conditioning to the very scene, honestly. But no, just the Popes in general. Olivia of Hope and her. Not Olivia. I forgot her mother's name, but her mother and her father. Standout characters like, you don't even need to see them, but once you hear the mention of their names, you just know what's about to happen. [00:21:47] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. No, I agree. My next is Sue Sylvester from Glee. [00:21:53] Speaker B: But Glee has so many outstanding characters, though. [00:21:56] Speaker A: Who married herself. Doesn't get more outstanding than that, my G. It doesn't get more legendary than that. I mean, she was a bane to Mr. Whatever his name is. Mr. Shu. [00:22:12] Speaker B: Oh, him. [00:22:13] Speaker A: She was. She hated that man with everything she had. She thought he was a weirdo, which you know what? She wasn't really wrong. And she also had heart because of her sister, and she was hard working. She was. I mean, this is. This character was actually quite complex, right, because she trained those girls and she wanted the very, very best for them. And she had a soft spot for people who were disabled or are disabled, but she wouldn't, like, take shit from them. She wouldn't treat them like they're any less than the others. She would give them, obviously, the allowance that's needed for their ability, but she wouldn't treat them any different. Right. And, yeah, she was a fantastic coach. She was iconic, the woman that she is. And remember, she had this moment where she was singing and she was doing it in tracks as well. [00:23:04] Speaker B: That's her get up, though. That was her thing. [00:23:07] Speaker A: It wasn't. I know, but that was just Chef's kiss. Yeah. Great. Great, great, great. And then obviously, they brought on the other coach that was a woman. And I remember she didn't like the woman either. Oh, so is Sylvester. She was like. In my opinion, she was likable. She was like the villain that they needed. Those cute kids. [00:23:29] Speaker B: I didn't think she was a villain. I just. I just. They weren't her kind of people. [00:23:32] Speaker A: What do you Mean, of course, she was the villain. She used to push them on. She'll push them. She did that. [00:23:38] Speaker B: Glee children. [00:23:39] Speaker A: She did that specifically to the Glee kit. [00:23:42] Speaker B: Every child. [00:23:43] Speaker A: It was mainly the Glee kit that she did, actually. [00:23:46] Speaker B: She had extra spice for them. I agree. She did it to every child. [00:23:50] Speaker A: But, yeah, she was. She was. She was chaotic, she was funny. She was raw when she needed to be. And. Yeah. So that's why I think people mainly kind of gravitated towards her and liked her for the kind of character that she was. And to be honest, I think she. [00:24:04] Speaker B: Carried, you know, season one. [00:24:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Up to probably, like, season three. She carried. I'd say. [00:24:10] Speaker B: Fair enough. [00:24:11] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's it. [00:24:12] Speaker B: So I've got Cassie from season two of Euphoria, because in season two, Rue is out. We don't really see much of Rue. She's. She's been held because she's been. She's back to doing drugs, and obviously she's in trouble and she's just there. But Cassie is having a whole breakdown. She's dating Nate, her best friend's ex boyfriend, slash still boyfriend, because they get back together. So, you know, kind of techie, techy grounds beyond. But she's going through a thing. She doesn't feel comfortable. Comfortable in her body. She feels insecure. But we see. We see her ups and downs. We see her take on Maddie's personality for a while, like, for a good two episodes. And she's battling all these things with her, with her sister, with her family, with her friendship groups. And it's just. I think she stole the show just because her story was that dramatic. Not, I think her and herself. She is a standout character and she is her own person, but because there's so much happening around her in comparison to everyone else, you're like, damn, girl, you. You deserve a break. Like, when is your break coming? Because this is a bit much. Nah, she was. She was broken at that point, I think, like, there's so much that happened to her. [00:25:23] Speaker A: It was like her identity kind of just flipped. Fractured. [00:25:26] Speaker B: It was taken from her. [00:25:27] Speaker A: And she wanted to become Maddie instead because to her, Maddie was comfortable. Comfortable. Sorry. [00:25:32] Speaker B: Confident. Yeah. [00:25:33] Speaker A: Right. So she wanted to embody that. She took it too far. She took it way too far because she wasn't fixing the issue. She was just putting a band aid that was broken and infected on it. [00:25:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:43] Speaker A: I mean, it's crazy work to date your crazy best friend's psychotic ex boyfriend. [00:25:48] Speaker B: But at that point, he was the only one showing her affection because we just Witnessed that the man that the boy she was dating was a year older than her, had just gone to college. And there's rumors about her saying, oh, she's. She's this loose person who just goes around having sex. And then her boyfriend's like, well, they told me you're this person and you haven't given anything yet. What now? And she was like, but, you know, I'm not like that. We've been together for a long time before you even went to college. You know, it's just a rumor. I've never been that person. And then he tries to have sex with her. She's not having it. She goes. She runs away. And then she's like. Then there's a scene with the scene in the carousel and she starts acting in the way that people perceive her in this very sexual manner. She puts her hair down, she's going backwards, her boobs are showing. It was fantastic photography on the cast, on the whole production team. And then Nate's the only one who sees her for who she was, not sees her for who she was, but she's like, well, you're broken and I'm broken. So, you know, two people in heart, two broke people together, they found companionship to some degree. [00:26:48] Speaker A: I don't deny that. I think my issue is if you're going to do it. Yeah, if you're going to be that bitch, you better be that bitch. [00:26:54] Speaker B: She tried in her head, as we said, that bitch was Maddie. So she was like, I'm a body Maddie then. [00:26:59] Speaker A: Yeah, but you got to be Maddie. You know what I mean? Like, you got to be that girl, but she doesn't have the backbone. It's the same thing. Do you know how many. How much rumors is probably going on around Maddie about Maddie as well? [00:27:13] Speaker B: Quite a lot. [00:27:13] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:27:14] Speaker B: But the thing with Maddie, the rumours get shut down so quick because she's want to, like, once you hear something, bash your head, literally. That is a rumor. Like, don't say sh. She's gonna come and beat your head against the wall because she actually went to win the double. [00:27:26] Speaker A: You have to be mad at the people that are spreading the rumors. You have to show them that you're able to. They want to go low, you can go lower, fuck your reputation. That's what I'm going to say. [00:27:34] Speaker B: But yeah, because she was going through such a lot, she stole the show. Not because of. She is a standout character, as I said, but she stole the show in that season because her story was so interesting to watch. [00:27:45] Speaker A: No, I just Think it's because they're focused on her mainly. She has nothing going on for her. [00:27:48] Speaker B: Well, I think Maddie had a lot going on in her life as well. [00:27:51] Speaker A: No, I mean, what's her name? Cassie. I'd say the other girl's story was more interesting in season two. Maddie or any of the other shows, including the one. I'm gonna say one of the characters. I'm gonna say. [00:28:01] Speaker B: Okay, go ahead. [00:28:02] Speaker A: I think I just have. No, not that I have no sympathy for her, but I have no sympathy for her. I think she's a boring, dumb bitch. [00:28:10] Speaker B: She was not boring dumb. [00:28:11] Speaker A: And I think Maddie should have bit her up to almost and hospitalized that bitch. Okay, I'm joking. No violence. But everyone's going through it. Everyone was going through it. And unfortunately, that's how she went through it. And she should have just held her head up and be like, yeah, take what's coming to you, and actually sought help. Every single child on that show. Because let's not forget, they are children. My God. [00:28:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:36] Speaker A: What are the parents doing? What are the teachers doing? That was what I kept thinking. Like, nobody is paying attention to these kids. Nobody. And like, all the other kids are just watching their lives as entertainment and just partaking. And I guess that's just high school, isn't it? That's just secondary school. And that's insane, because when I actually think back to maybe the girls that kind of got pregnant or like the kids that were being bullied at school, like the little weird kid in the corner, the one that used to smell, I'm just like, yeah, what are the adults doing? Do you know what they were doing? They were focused on the wrong people. [00:29:11] Speaker B: Well, Rue was a concern. [00:29:13] Speaker A: Yeah, but. Oh, no, I meant the ones in real life. Not that the. The. Well, they mainly take all the attention, don't they? The ones that. That. Cause the biggest. The ones that are the biggest cause for concern always take the attention from the ones that also kind of need the teacher's attention as well, anyway. But, yeah, Cassie. Cassie. She's all right. She's not my fave, but she's all right. [00:29:32] Speaker B: Me said she was favorite. I said I liked the story. [00:29:34] Speaker A: Yeah, fair play. Next is Eric Effiong from Sex Education. [00:29:40] Speaker B: He's funny. [00:29:41] Speaker A: Need I say more? [00:29:42] Speaker B: He's very funny. [00:29:42] Speaker A: Need I say more? I just need to put his face there and just be like, look at him. I mean, he's sarcastic. He has presence. He is funny. He is the moment. [00:29:53] Speaker B: He's iconic. [00:29:54] Speaker A: He is iconic. He is a meme of A meme that became a government statement. Wash your hands, you dirty pig. Yeah, right. Like, it became, like, a huge thing. He stole the show. I reckon he probably made the show even. Not that the show wasn't good, but even more popular than it was. And his story was so heartbreaking and also liberating. [00:30:18] Speaker B: I didn't finish last season, did you? [00:30:20] Speaker A: No. Oh, I'm speaking based on season one. [00:30:23] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:30:24] Speaker A: Because that's all I watched. I couldn't. I just couldn't do it anymore because I didn't get it. [00:30:29] Speaker B: I think I watched halfway through season two. I did not watch season three. No. [00:30:33] Speaker A: Well, not that I didn't get it. I just. Trauma. It's the same thing with me finishing Euphoria. I think if it comes again, I'm not watching it because it's too much. Why are they putting kids through so much shit? [00:30:45] Speaker B: Because that doesn't actually happen in real life. [00:30:47] Speaker A: I know, but. Oh, my God, it's so heartbreaking. It's really, really heartbreaking. But I think because maybe because of my reality so far removed from it. From it. And not sex education, but euphorbia. It was. It's just. It's the extreme. It's like EastEnders, but, like, times 10. [00:31:07] Speaker B: I didn't watch EastEnders. Yeah. [00:31:09] Speaker A: That's why I stopped watching EastEnders as well. It's too much. It's just trauma after the other to, like, the same group of people. Like, one group of people would have child loss, would have some type of family death. There will be, like, abuse in there, tucked in there somewhere, you know, all within a unit of a family. I'm tired. I'm tired of trauma. I want to laugh or maybe be a little bit scared. I still need to watch Sinners. Maybe I'll watch it tonight. But, yeah, going back to Eric, Eric is funny. He's Otis's best friend. But because of, obviously, how his character is and how the actor himself portrayed that character, it brought light to every scene that he was in. And he just stole the show. His presence, the. His little, like, one bit that he had and his. His journey with his family, right. With his dad and his mom and that church moment that they had, that was so. My goodness, so heartfelt. And he kind of rose from being a sidekick, in my opinion, anyway, to a character in his own. In his own right. So, yeah, that's. That's why I think he kind of stole the show, because he's even more recognizable than the main character, Otis himself. [00:32:19] Speaker B: Oh, this is something. He's. [00:32:21] Speaker A: Otis was annoying. [00:32:22] Speaker B: He Had a lot of growth. He had his own little trauma still with his mum and his dad. And this dad. Goodness me. [00:32:27] Speaker A: Sorry. Okay. With his dad, sure. Not with his mom. Because it was his mom's career that he was using at school. [00:32:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:34] Speaker A: So. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not. I. I didn't. I didn't. I was gonna say I didn't have parents, but I don't know what it's like to be embarrassed by your parents. So I can't relate. [00:32:44] Speaker B: Okay, my next one is Barney from How I Met yout Mother. [00:32:50] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:32:51] Speaker B: Oh, goodness. Not saying Ted was a bad character legend, but Barney, I can't remember. [00:32:56] Speaker A: What do you mean you can't remember? [00:32:58] Speaker B: I don't know why you said wait for it. And you think I was gonna remember? [00:33:01] Speaker A: No, that's what he said. He's like, it's legend. Wait for it dairy. Like, that's. That was like his thing. That was Barney thing. [00:33:07] Speaker B: It's been a minute. [00:33:08] Speaker A: It's been a minute for me too, but carry on. God. [00:33:14] Speaker B: As you would notice, Von is iconic. He's in channel's memory rent free, apparently, at the mention of his name. [00:33:21] Speaker A: Yeah, because he's a member of a character. [00:33:24] Speaker B: He is a member of a character. He's funny. I liked his interaction with all this character, all the characters. [00:33:31] Speaker A: I loved it when he was dating Robin. [00:33:32] Speaker B: Me too. I think they should have stayed together. [00:33:35] Speaker A: Honestly. [00:33:36] Speaker B: They should have stayed because they understand each other. They do so, so well. And they have such good chemistry. And I know you can't rely on chemistry, carry a relationship forward, but they too, those two could have relied on chemistry alone to carry that relationship forward. Because they were just a vibe. That's not the point of this conversation though. [00:33:54] Speaker A: Yeah, let's reel it back, Ted. Sorry. Not Teddy. [00:33:57] Speaker B: Barney. He's funny. He's always in a suit. Come on. A man in suit. [00:34:01] Speaker A: He's a woman rapper. Honestly portrayed that very well. [00:34:06] Speaker B: He really did. [00:34:07] Speaker A: Like, you remember that revenge thing. That's basically. Okay, so basically, Barney didn't used to be a bro in suit. He used to be some guy with like a soul patch, beard, long ass thing. And then he was chirps in her trying to talk to this girl who he was dating. And then a rich guy in a suit kind of stole his girlfriend. And you know how Barney gets with, like his grudges, right? He holds this grudge for years. He himself becomes like a suit bro. Right? He gets into the same guy's company and then he ruins the guy's life as he would. Because he was embellished. And, like, Barney becomes the whistleblower. And it's like a whole thing just because. Talk about a fantastic character. He really is. He really, really is. Yeah. Sorry. Carry on. [00:34:52] Speaker B: Sivani. He's so funny. And I think he held that. He held that friendship group together to some degree. I think he held them together because when things were tense, he was comic relief. Like, he was the one who. To bridge people apart. Even if it was just like, everyone getting mad at him in that moment, at least he kept everyone together. Even, like, letting go Robin Ford's head. What a man to let go of the woman he loves for his bro. If there's anyone says bros before hoes, that's. He stands on it. [00:35:23] Speaker A: How nice does someone have to be like. And, you know, like, I never understood. That was my issue with Lily. She always. She just. She never liked him. But now I can't tell if this is just Ted projecting or if Lily really didn't like Barney because she didn't like him. [00:35:39] Speaker B: I think Lily didn't like him. [00:35:41] Speaker A: I feel like she was projected because he was very free. And last a fair with his life. He could do whatever he wanted and she couldn't. And I think that was a little bit part of why she didn't like him. [00:35:50] Speaker B: Partly. [00:35:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:51] Speaker B: I also think because she wanted to. [00:35:54] Speaker A: Be an artist, but she couldn't chase it. Because for her to chase that, she'd have to leave Marshall. And she loved Marshall a lot. [00:35:59] Speaker B: No, she actually did try and leave Marshall. [00:36:00] Speaker A: She did. [00:36:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:01] Speaker A: That's what I'm saying. She did. But she came back because they loved each other so much or whatever. [00:36:05] Speaker B: I think her career didn't fly off and she didn't have the passion to continue with it. [00:36:08] Speaker A: To continue. Well, fair play. There's that, too. But then there's. Look at Barney, who's just laissez faire about it. [00:36:14] Speaker B: So probably not he didn't like it. It's more resentment. [00:36:16] Speaker A: Yeah. I think anyway, because he treats love, which is something that she holds so dear and so high in her list of priorities. Like, he treats it like it's nothing. [00:36:26] Speaker B: I don't think that's true. [00:36:27] Speaker A: I think until he had the whole thing with Robin, he didn't really grow that much. [00:36:32] Speaker B: No, he didn't really grow. But I don't think a relationship has never been. Wasn't on Barney's top list of things he wanted. She didn't get that. [00:36:41] Speaker A: That's why he wouldn't prioritize. [00:36:44] Speaker B: The relationship. Yeah. [00:36:45] Speaker A: And stuff like that. Yeah. [00:36:46] Speaker B: But as we all know, part. Like. Like romantic relationships aren't the end of. [00:36:50] Speaker A: All life to Lily really was kind of, in a way, she was a bit of a judge. A little bit. [00:36:56] Speaker B: Fair enough. [00:36:57] Speaker A: She also used to judge Robin as well. [00:36:59] Speaker B: Yeah, that's very true. [00:37:01] Speaker A: That's why I didn't really like her. [00:37:02] Speaker B: But romantic relationship aren't the end of all things. Like your man's your man, but still your friends are your friends. [00:37:07] Speaker A: And also bear in mind those friends are not her friends. [00:37:09] Speaker B: They're Marshall's friends. Wow, that's a good point. Where are her friends? [00:37:13] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:37:15] Speaker B: That didn't click. Where are your friends? Why don't you do a girls trip on afternoon tea? Touch grass. [00:37:25] Speaker A: And she's like a teacher as well. I don't know. Like her whole thing, just a shtick was just not for me. Like, that's all. I don't know how Robin did it. No. [00:37:33] Speaker B: I think Robin needed a female friend and she just latched on. [00:37:36] Speaker A: She really did. Yeah. Yeah. [00:37:37] Speaker B: And then she just latched onto the one that was closest by because she couldn't bother to try. Robin did not want to try with anyone else. She's like, I like who I like. And you're just on a very line of I like you. [00:37:50] Speaker A: And Robin also had other friends as well, by the way. They were just not on screen. Really. On screen. Yeah. [00:37:54] Speaker B: Yeah. And she had her own personality as well. [00:37:56] Speaker A: Yeah. But anyway, back to Barney. Sorry. [00:37:59] Speaker B: Vani is fantastic. Vani, if you were. If Robin was ever available, I think she'd get back together. [00:38:04] Speaker A: Yeah. I think they should have been end game and the mother should have just been some random woman. And it shouldn't have been a story of how he met their mom and then the mom died and then he had to tell the kids that he loves Robin. Fuck that shit. And then he had to go and steal the horn. You mate. [00:38:19] Speaker B: How. How dare a man be in a whole relationship and tell his kids I love someone else. Pause. [00:38:25] Speaker A: So he was basically telling his kids a story about how he met their mum, but ended up telling them a story about how he said, mom, by. [00:38:32] Speaker B: The way, how he loves Robin. [00:38:34] Speaker A: Aunt Robin. [00:38:35] Speaker B: Off. Don't make the video. I'd rather not know. Give it to yourself. [00:38:38] Speaker A: And so this is a bullshit. [00:38:42] Speaker B: How dare you do a whole story telling me about how I was in a relationship with your mother, but whilst I was in a relationship with your mother I loved the woman with my heart was your aunt Robert. Who can see every Saturday off actually. [00:38:55] Speaker A: Just go like go away. [00:38:57] Speaker B: Indeed. You should just kept that to yourself because why do I need to know? [00:39:00] Speaker A: That said, oh, I like your aunt Robin. Now I'm going to be dating your aunt Robin. There's no need to tell me the. [00:39:06] Speaker B: Story because that's cheating. That's emotional cheating. [00:39:11] Speaker A: That's so true. You know, and if I was the mom, I'll come out myself. Spirit would haunt him for the rest of his life. [00:39:18] Speaker B: Cuz, how dare you stay in a relationship with me just so you can love someone else by proximity. Because you know. [00:39:26] Speaker A: Oh yeah. Really? [00:39:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Robin did not want to have children. So it wasn't until after Ted had finished having children, the mother passed away and the children were grown enough to be like, okay, I'm done having children. [00:39:37] Speaker A: You don't want children would have been fantastic together. [00:39:40] Speaker B: Yeah. Cuz one, they want children. That's why I said if characters were just moving on vibes. Those two were perfect. [00:39:47] Speaker A: Writers come to the front. [00:39:50] Speaker B: You ruined the whole storyline. [00:39:52] Speaker A: What's going on? [00:39:53] Speaker B: Who. [00:39:54] Speaker A: Who bullied you into making this? Because I know writers. Writers, they don't play like that. Someone, some producer somewhere, one of the actors, they might have been like, I feel like, you know, maybe because writers don't do stuff like this when they let writers write, they write good. [00:40:15] Speaker B: But yeah, anyway, yeah, Robin didn't want to have children. Ted wanted children. So he found a wife that wanted children. But then it's like, I still love you, but I know you don't want to have children. So once I'm done having these babies, keep me in your thoughts. [00:40:27] Speaker A: And Robin, why did you take him? Why? Why? Like, what was the reason? [00:40:33] Speaker B: What was the reason? [00:40:34] Speaker A: In Cardi B's wise words, what was the reason? [00:40:39] Speaker B: Because it makes no sense. Because why did you wait for a man to help her children? [00:40:43] Speaker A: You know, architect, it totally makes sense. [00:40:48] Speaker B: Listen to me. [00:40:49] Speaker A: I've been traumatized by them. It totally makes sense. [00:40:52] Speaker B: You've been traumatized by architects? [00:40:56] Speaker A: God, they haunt me. [00:40:59] Speaker B: I don't see you waiting 10 years. [00:41:00] Speaker A: For the arsenic come back to you. Oh, God, no. [00:41:03] Speaker B: See, that's what I'm saying. She waited for a man to finish having children. Come back to her. [00:41:07] Speaker A: Fair play. [00:41:09] Speaker B: No, Robin, you need better girlfriends. Because they would have set you straight. [00:41:12] Speaker A: Would they? No, they would just let her live her life. [00:41:15] Speaker B: They would have sent her a cautionary word. [00:41:17] Speaker A: Yeah, but it's your life. Yeah. So my next side character is Fezco. RIP Fez from Euphoria. Where do I Start. [00:41:37] Speaker B: It's fantastic. [00:41:38] Speaker A: The handsome, quiet drug dealer. High school. Let's not forget that part. Who had a brother, a child, as a business partner in dealing drugs. He was his brother. They weren't, they were not related. [00:41:54] Speaker B: No. By a proxy. [00:41:57] Speaker A: That was his business partner. And Ashtray would tell you as much. He, he, he has a lot of heart, especially for Rue and people who can't really advocate for themselves and that really like I felt, I don't know, he's protective of, of Rue. And that to me was just, you know what? At some point I started thinking maybe he liked her. But he didn't. [00:42:30] Speaker B: No, I think it's just, I think it was more the sense that no one was there for him. So he was like, I'll give you those drugs just so I can keep an eye on you. [00:42:39] Speaker A: And, and when we got his episode and we find out a little bit more about him and Ashtray and that just deepens your love for the character. I'm very curious what they're going to do with him in the next one that's coming. I don't know if they've filmed anything for it. I don't even think, I don't think they've started filming really. So I don't know how they're gonna explain, explain that. But yeah, he's, he's, he's a character that you don't. To be honest, I was like quite characters, like broody, just kind of moving through. I usually like them. And so it was a no brainer that I like Fez, but he's like this guy that's. He's not really part of the group. He kind of watches. Everyone's aware of who he is and what he does, but he's a cool guy. Like he, he protects people. [00:43:33] Speaker B: He's very respected. [00:43:34] Speaker A: Yeah. And possibly because he's a bit of a, you know, himself, a bit of a psycho himself. Right. And he's also been through a lot. But he doesn't touch the product. Right. He sells it. Which is a very, very, what's it called? Ghost thing to do. But didn't Ghost start using that song? You know, I never watched it. I never finished watching it. So anyway, point is, Fez was, is very likable and because of his kind of slow burn, we kind of watch his story and his interaction with all the other characters and how protective he is of the Libby. [00:44:05] Speaker B: Lily isn't the mother. [00:44:06] Speaker A: No, no. The other girl. The, the, the trans girl. [00:44:09] Speaker B: Ru's girlfriend. [00:44:10] Speaker A: Rue's girlfriend. Best friend. Yeah. Ru's girlfriend. [00:44:12] Speaker B: I forgot her name. I just know that. But Ru's girlfriend. [00:44:15] Speaker A: Yeah. He was also protective of her as well, because he. He was one of the first people who really knew what had happened with Nate's dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was like. It's just like, he's. He doesn't judge. Right. And that's another thing that I like. And that's also another reason why I like Samantha as well. There's no judgment. Like, what you. What you see is what you get with him, and that's just very refreshing for a character. Yeah. Very nice to see. And. Yeah, that's. That's why I think he's a standout guy. [00:44:42] Speaker B: Okay. My last one is Cece from New Girl. She was Jess's best friend. Is Jess's best friend still to this day. And she's a model, and she was dating Schmidt, and she's just fantastic. She's so funny. Her character in general is so funny. Like her introduction when she was like, I wouldn't touch you with the 10 people. And then season two, the fucking. I said, cece, she said. She said, I'm growing not to judge people by their looks. I said, I hear you, girl. [00:45:12] Speaker A: Despite. [00:45:14] Speaker B: And she was just. She's very. She's very grounded. Like, she. Of all the people, she knows Jess, obviously the best friend. She knows Jess, like, very well. Like, she also. But she also knows when to set Jess straight. Like, girl, today you're doing the bit too much. Stop with this craziness. Stop it. And Jess needed that, you know. [00:45:31] Speaker A: Yeah. A lot. [00:45:32] Speaker B: She really needed someone who could ground her because she had a. She's a bit. [00:45:36] Speaker A: She had a deep moment as well, especially with the way Schmidt kind of treated her as. Well, a bit in. In one of those. Those. Wasn't he cheating with her on that senator lady? [00:45:47] Speaker B: No, I don't think so. [00:45:48] Speaker A: Yeah, he was. They were. They were messing around. Well, while he was dating that senator lady. [00:45:53] Speaker B: Well, Cece. But, you know, Schmidt ended up that relationship, and just. There was some cc. That's all that matters in my head. [00:46:01] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, I like the growth that Cece had. I don't. I don't know. For me, anyway, she wasn't. I liked Coach wasn't there for long, though, and. Well, I like the two black guys. [00:46:14] Speaker B: I should just say that that's fine. [00:46:16] Speaker A: What's the other guy's name? [00:46:17] Speaker B: Winston. [00:46:17] Speaker A: Winston. I liked Winston. [00:46:19] Speaker B: Winston was funny. Yeah. His obsession with cats was a bit too much for me, though. One cat's enough. Winston. You don't need a whole. A hole of cats. No, stop it. One's enough. [00:46:29] Speaker A: Who else? Who. Well, what's the guy that day Jessica ends up with? [00:46:34] Speaker B: Nick. [00:46:35] Speaker A: Nick. [00:46:35] Speaker B: Nick did not see the show. [00:46:37] Speaker A: There was just so many. Oh, no, he didn't. No, no, no. I'm just like, there's so many things wrong with that man. [00:46:41] Speaker B: He just lacks motivation. No, Nick lacks motivation. [00:46:45] Speaker A: He had quirks, mate. It's not just the motivation to write that. He didn't. No, that's not it. It's more. It's more. It's like his. Wasn't there a time where he, like, he doesn't, like, he doesn't like, like, specific things and, like, the others would have to really encourage him. And it's like this. Ugh, exhausting. Speak up. That guy's friend. My Schmidt is a real one. I'm not gonna lie to you. [00:47:09] Speaker B: Because he didn't live with them, though. He lived separately. [00:47:12] Speaker A: Schmidt lived with them. [00:47:13] Speaker B: No, he didn't. [00:47:14] Speaker A: Yes, he did. [00:47:15] Speaker B: I'm pretty sure Schmidt had his own apartment. [00:47:16] Speaker A: No, Schmidt lived with them. Oh, my God. Schmidt 100% lived with them. [00:47:22] Speaker B: Are you sure? [00:47:23] Speaker A: 100%. There was this whole thing about Schmidt's room and who was allowed to go in there. Schmidt definitely lived with them. Okay, because why was Cece sneaking around? Remember when they first started having sex and Cece used to sneak around the flat? [00:47:37] Speaker B: Okay. Pretty sure one of them didn't live in the park. Like, lived across the road or something like that. [00:47:41] Speaker A: I think someone eventually moves out later on. [00:47:44] Speaker B: Okay. [00:47:45] Speaker A: But I'm pretty sure Schmidt definitely lived with them. But. Yeah, no, no, Cece. CC Yeah, that first episode still haunts me today when they tried to go to her ex boyfriend's house to go get her stuff. [00:48:00] Speaker B: You know, sometimes you don't need to get your stuff. No, I'm of the opinion now. Sometimes you just don't need your stuff. Just a good day. Let them be thrown away. Let them be gone. [00:48:11] Speaker A: Okay, my next character is Dwight Schrute from the office. Now, this man, why I think he's a standout, right, Is because we laughed at him a lot. We didn't understand him. I didn't really understand him. I didn't get it. Like, I was just like, why is he the way he is? And the whole Tim Jim kind of bullying him and, like, he probably has a bit of tism there. I mean, Dwight. And it's just that interaction. That interaction a lot, for me, just makes him stand out a lot. And it was the whole Assistant to the. Assistant to the. Head to the. To the manager thing. Not assistant manager, but assistant to the manager to the regional manager. That and obviously the. Him then getting Jim. Why did I keep calling him Tim? Jim then getting the assistant regional manager role that he had initially wanted. And then his whole thing with Pam and Pam leaving him and him crashing out. Pink television. Pink television. Entertainment Max. And there was this idiot guy that Pam. They hadn't slept together. [00:49:24] Speaker B: Fantastic. [00:49:25] Speaker A: Like, he always made this whole thing about how he went to Stanford or is it Cornell and she hadn't slept with him, but she was pregnant and she convinced this man who went to Cornell that that was his baby. [00:49:36] Speaker B: They haven't slept together, though. [00:49:37] Speaker A: They hadn't had sex. They hadn't had sex. [00:49:39] Speaker B: You know, so how does he know? Does he not know, like one plus one equals two? [00:49:42] Speaker A: I think they did some. I don't remember exactly what they did, but they did something and she convinced him somehow that he was gonna be. And then it obviously came out that it wasn't his. [00:49:51] Speaker B: Obviously. [00:49:52] Speaker A: And then him and Dwight had this fight when they were fighting each other. Because I think she even took it as far as getting married to him, I'm pretty sure. At Dwight's farm. Nah, you see the crazy, crazy work. But yeah, Dwight Peak. Peak Entertainment. He's very funny. And towards the end, when Steve Carell left, I kind of felt like he. And his interaction with like Jim and Pam and the rest, he kind of carried the show. Very funny character. Funny to laugh at and sometimes to laugh with. Any kind of. Any scene that you see him in, you just know. You just. You're getting your stuff, ready to laugh because he knows something crazy about that. I promise you. It's he. That he's talking about his cousin or that he has. There was this whole thing where he was like, oh, he's a deputy sheriff. He's either talking about some weird hobby that he has or his pigs at his farm or some weird, weird family history there about some cousins. Something that's definitely, you know, that there's some inbreding going on there. You know, it was just. He's a manic character. Yeah. But very fun. Very, very, very memorable. And you have a lot of moments with him. And even towards the end, you start even feeling sorry for him, obviously, because he likes this. What's her name? It's not Pam. The blonde lady with the accountant. Pam is Jim's lady. This is gonna do my head in. Beth. No. I'm so sorry. I'm going to try to do this as quickly as I can, Angela. Okay. Angela. Sorry. Angela, she was the. She was the accountant and he was. He was very, very much in love with her. And she. Oh, my God, she was a Christian, holier than thou lunatic woman. 100% hypocrite. Because obviously she had a child out of wedlock and she's been doing the stuff out of wedlock as well. [00:51:52] Speaker B: Poor her. [00:51:52] Speaker A: And she used to judge Pam, who was with Jim, for doing the same thing. And she used to. She also judged Pam because Pam was secretly in love with Jim, but she was dating another man in the warehouse and Pam was the secretary. So she used to judge her. And she was like. There was. I remember this, this bit where like, she was like, oh, like she was feeling sorry for Pam's boyfriend because obviously it's so obvious that she's in love with someone else. But anyway, yeah, that's why I think whatever it was that I said, he was funny. Stand out. Very great moments. You start feeling for him eventually and his character also kind of grows. And to be honest, you kind of see his point a lot. You realize he's actually very smart and he probably should have been running the company anyway. And he would have because he was a great salesman. But, yeah, that's all I got. That's the end. The next bit is TV characters who needed znhs. Who you got. [00:52:47] Speaker B: Starting off with Merdes Gray. She had childhood trauma. She witnessed her mother try to kill herself several times. She witnessed her mother have an affair and she witnessed her father becoming an alcoholic. If that's not childhood trauma, goodness me. First things first. I want to go back to the hospital that my mother used to work in because that's just as you saw it. It was just flashback upon flashback of everything that happened that went wrong in her childhood was just coming back to her in her adult life. Like you even see it sometimes. Like an episode one, she's at the bar drinking and she's off her head and she meets Derek and she's like, I don't really care who you are because I'm probably gonna remember who you are. It is what it is. But that stems from her child. That stems from her childhood trauma. So I think from day one, once the paramedics came to the house and she. Well, she knew she had the paramedics of the speed dial. That child had a paramedics on speed dial channel. I don't know how many children have. [00:53:47] Speaker A: Known even more emotional damage because then she meets her dad again and he's this loving Father to this annoying young sister that apparently you have. And there's a whole set of them, by the way. Shock, horror. [00:54:01] Speaker B: So the moment the paramedics found out her mother was like that, they should have been like, oh, you're not a stable mother. So I blame the paramedics, to be honest, because how many times did the paramedics come out to the house, I witness the mother on the floor with blood. I mean, the first time, okay, she was pregnant. That's why she had blood. But the second time, come on, they're doctors. [00:54:19] Speaker A: They get. Hide it. They can cover up for each other. [00:54:22] Speaker B: Okay, they can cover it for each other. But she was not. She kept a diary of how she was doing. From her diary, we can see her downfall in her mental state. Like, I think from the get go, once, the paramedics should have taken her into, like, custody and like, put her into foster care. I mean, foster care isn't always the best. I understand that. [00:54:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:42] Speaker B: But I think she needed to be with someone that wasn't going to put her in that amount of pain and trauma because seeing your. [00:54:48] Speaker A: They wouldn't have. Because she wasn't really there. Was she one. There was nobody else to take her. The dad was at an absentee, and then the mom was making money. She was going to school. She was well fed. I suppose. But you're not wrong that there should be. There should have been more intervention in terms of. And she should have started therapy immediately. [00:55:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:09] Speaker A: And I think she even. She did actually, didn't she? She started it from. From a young age. [00:55:13] Speaker B: No, no, Meredith was not in therapy. I think she. The time she went to therapy was after the plane crash. They couldn't operate. So everyone who was. Had been in the plane, Cash had to go into therapy before they can start operating. But that was the start of her going to the therapy. Beforehand, she had all this part of anger, all this resentment towards Richard. [00:55:33] Speaker A: They used to call psych some type of name. I didn't respect them at all. [00:55:37] Speaker B: Yeah. So beforehand she wasn't in therapy. I think that would have helped to deal with the trauma that she had been dealing with. Especially with, like when she does meet Lexi in the future and how much resentment she has towards Lexi, not because of who Lexi is, what Lexi represents. Like, I could have had a father. But he chose you. He chose you over me. And I think that hurt her more than anything. Not the fact. The fact that her father wasn't present, but the fact the father could have been. Could have been her father. But he actually Chose not to be that for her. The mum was almost lunatic. But why couldn't he have taken Reddit with him? [00:56:13] Speaker A: Fair play. She wouldn't have let him. [00:56:15] Speaker B: I suppose not, but she would have been in a. I would have hoped a more loving family for how Lexi has turned out. I say I hope because I don't know how Lexi was raised apart from how I see her on in the future when she's ruined. [00:56:26] Speaker A: Yeah. No, no, no, you're not wrong. Possibly. Yeah. [00:56:29] Speaker B: No, that's great. [00:56:30] Speaker A: So my first one is Mr. BoJack Horseman. So remember in season one when Diane writes the book for him or starts. [00:56:40] Speaker B: To write the book? [00:56:41] Speaker A: No, she writes it. So after she's written it, she's done with the memoir, after he's put her through so much shit, and then he starts to self sabotage himself. Right? He self sabotaged the relationship that he's got. He had with Diane. He starts drinking, he starts using drugs, forgetting stuff. He tries to come back. He's tried some half wit, God knows what on that show that he went on, comeback thing, and he just ruined his life because clearly he was trying to, you know, off with him, his life. That man needed help. He needed psychiatric intervention immediately. And he needed to be in rehab and stay there, like, for the rest of his life. [00:57:22] Speaker B: He did go to rehab. [00:57:23] Speaker A: I said go to rehab and stay there, like, live there. He should not have come out. He should have stayed there. And the whole, you gotta leave those friends in the past. You know what? It wasn't even his friends. It was him. He's the problem. So he should have stayed there. Sanctioned, sectioned, under constant supervision until the end. [00:57:43] Speaker B: In my opinion, Orchak was just a traveled man. He was an alcoholic and a drug addict. [00:57:47] Speaker A: Untreated generational trauma. The kid in the show that he. [00:57:51] Speaker B: Was with, I know. [00:57:53] Speaker A: How much more fucked up, bro? How much. How much more up does a guy have to be that guy? I never forget. I don't know. I just can't. He's just. Yeah, it should have been. Yeah. So stay in the rehab center forever and ever. I never see the light of day. [00:58:08] Speaker B: Poor Jack, he eventually grows out of it to some degree. [00:58:12] Speaker A: Yeah, not at the end. [00:58:14] Speaker B: At the end, he does not really. He apologizes. Everyone he's hurt. [00:58:17] Speaker A: I mean, don't believe it, because it's. It's a cycle for him. [00:58:22] Speaker B: Well, you don't think the rehab held? [00:58:24] Speaker A: No. [00:58:24] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. My next one is Lexi, Meredith's sister. I think from the general interaction, she became insecure in her personality. I Think because the hospital was named after murder was after Meredith. And Meredith was obviously like a standout doctor at the, at Sloan. Like she was always being consult. Being like compared to her. And then at one point they were like, oh, we weren't. [00:58:51] Speaker A: It wasn't named after Meredith. It was that her mum? No. [00:58:53] Speaker B: Yeah, it was named after her mum. [00:58:54] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, not Meredith. [00:58:55] Speaker B: Not Meredith. But they had a center in the hospital named after her at one point in later seasons. [00:59:01] Speaker A: Yeah, but that was after Lex was dead. [00:59:03] Speaker B: Okay. After Lex was dead. Anyway, so the one episode where she was. They were like, oh, weren't Dr. Gray. And she came along, she's like, oh, no, no, no. We meant Dr. Gray. And then from, from that, I feel like her confidence just went down because she was always being constantly compared to her sister. To her sister. And like life, you have a great sister. She wasn't present. And I didn't have a relationship at that point anyways. So I think. [00:59:27] Speaker A: Because they should have just said the original Gray and little Gray. I said what? I said, okay, so they spy for object. No, but trust Nigerians. Nigerians would be like, oh, grade one and grade two. And they'll put it like Dr. Gray one, Dr. Grade two. So there's no issue or great M or great stuff like that where there's, there's no. Because I told you about this. Like. [00:59:53] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, your sister. [00:59:55] Speaker A: Oh, right. Yeah, yeah. Actually, yeah, there was like. Yeah. And then in my set in secondary school, we had like three girls called Chemaka. And my God, thinking back is so bad. One was called Chiamaka. Thin. I remember Chiamaka fat, Chiamaka small. Guys, I'm so sorry because I also participated. We didn't know any better. Guys, I'm so sorry. That was wild. [01:00:18] Speaker B: And that's why people have the body smoke. Yeah. It will start from young. [01:00:24] Speaker A: It does start from young. But like we had no other, like, what is it? Adjectives. There was no other way to describe them other than what we could have called one. Well, they were all kind of light skinned, so we couldn't be like, oh, chamaka, light skinned. [01:00:36] Speaker B: Well, you could do like the British. They're like Tom A and Tom B. [01:00:40] Speaker A: No. [01:00:40] Speaker B: Well, do they have the same surnames? [01:00:43] Speaker A: No, it doesn't just. It doesn't roll off the tongue. [01:00:45] Speaker B: It does not roll off the tongue. [01:00:47] Speaker A: Because we would have had to say the whole this. What? [01:00:53] Speaker B: Because Chamaka's thin. A and thin are. You know, there's four letters in thin. [01:01:00] Speaker A: And one letter in A. [01:01:02] Speaker B: And what's your argument, huh? [01:01:04] Speaker A: We were kids. [01:01:06] Speaker B: It didn't even want the tongue. I said it's a lesser then four letters, initial A1. [01:01:14] Speaker A: You know what I understand how traumatizing. Because even Sloane used to call her little Gray. [01:01:20] Speaker B: Yeah, she didn't like it and then he grew out of it. What's her group? She told him like I don't like this and she. [01:01:25] Speaker A: He understood them and even she herself had daddy issues. That's why both Greys ended up with men way older than them. Jesus Christ. [01:01:31] Speaker B: I like them together though. [01:01:32] Speaker A: Sloane. Yeah. But still that age difference is very uncomfortable in my opinion. [01:01:38] Speaker B: But yeah, I think I know it's one of the best hospitals to do your training at. But there's other hospitals. You could have done your train someone else. [01:01:46] Speaker A: Fairbay. [01:01:46] Speaker B: Yeah. You could have done some, gone somewhere else. Establish yourself as your own person. [01:01:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:01:51] Speaker B: Before going to Sloan to. Yeah, yeah. [01:01:55] Speaker A: No no no. [01:01:55] Speaker B: Fair play, fair play. [01:01:56] Speaker A: All right. Next for me is Vu in euphorbia. [01:02:01] Speaker B: She's just a grub addiction was childhood trauma. [01:02:03] Speaker A: So there's that bit in season two where she runs through the street and she steals from her friends and screaming at her mom full blown like there's just so much going on. Right. Like a medical crisis. [01:02:15] Speaker B: She's shouting for long breakdown. [01:02:17] Speaker A: Yeah. So in that particular scenario, like when it had gotten to that point, right. She should have been under supervised detox care psychological evaluate that, that Right. Enroll her in a structured outpatient program. But the thing is like, especially in a place like America. I'm talking if they had nhs. But in a place like America, it. [01:02:38] Speaker B: Costs a lot of money. [01:02:39] Speaker A: It costs a lot of money. So kids who need the help that's required, they end up not getting that. And it's very sad and it's very unfortunate. No, not unfortunately it's very sad because everyone needs care, you know. But yeah, vrouw, vrouw. She didn't need drugs to her. [01:02:56] Speaker B: She feels like she did. [01:02:57] Speaker A: She didn't need. She needed a rehab center. Not Fez's living room. Remember that bit in season one where she did the detox thing and Fez really did try. You see, he's a real one. [01:03:07] Speaker B: He did his best. [01:03:08] Speaker A: He really did. But yeah, that's, that's. That's who I've got. [01:03:11] Speaker B: Okay. Alex Karev. Sex addict. Family, mother issues. Deep woman issues. What his mum was not the best of mums to have. And yeah. So he gives everyone in season one everyone who has slept with him. Let's clarify. Syphilis they actually called him at one point Dr. Sith because he gave all the women syphilis. [01:03:33] Speaker A: Dirty boy. [01:03:35] Speaker B: Indeed. He's a condom. Okay. [01:03:39] Speaker A: It's better than 007. [01:03:41] Speaker B: I. I suppose. I suppose. But at the same time, I'd rather not. [01:03:47] Speaker A: Is it better than 007? [01:03:48] Speaker B: I don't think so. Because 007 means, oh, you just let one person die. [01:03:52] Speaker A: A patient. [01:03:53] Speaker B: You let a patient die. But it wasn't his fault. Burke did it on purpose. He knew the patient was going to die and he let George take the bait for it. Yeah. It would have happened to any of one of those patients, any one of the student doctors. At that point. Burke knew that patient was dying and he could. And he chose him on purpose, making an example of him. So, 007, I actually don't mind knowing that it's a setup. Knowing that it's a setup. I actually don't mind being called 007. Cool. Cool. Cool. Burke knew he was dying. I just. He put me on the spot knowing that there was nothing else that could be done in that situation. Burke had already done all the. All the procedures that could be possible done to save the patient, but to give all the female nurses and all the female. All the female doctors that were willing to have sex with him syphilis. That's disgusting. [01:04:37] Speaker A: You didn't intentionally go around giving syphilis. He went around giving dick infected dick. [01:04:41] Speaker B: Okay? And my point goes back to it. Use a condom. Okay? I don't care if you want to be slinging your dick in the streets. [01:04:49] Speaker A: Those nurses and Alex Karev said raw next. Because I'm so sorry. Alex is not just to blame. I'm gonna blame the nurses too. How are you a nurse and you're not telling your partner to wrap it up? I don't know. Also, how are you a doctor not wrapping yourself up? Side eye. [01:05:07] Speaker B: Oh my God. It's so disgusting. He needs to be in therapy to deal with his mommy issues. To deal with his sex addiction. I'm calling a sex addiction. It really wasn't. He just like he just went around the streets or went around the block of the hospital and it was an. [01:05:21] Speaker A: They used to call him devil spawn. [01:05:22] Speaker B: Because he was so rude. But he had so much pent up hang up on his mummy issues. Like I keep saying, he needs to be in therapy for his mummy issues. He needs to talk to someone about how his mother was not a competent mother and how he had to be the parents for himself and his brother and to his mum and to the Point where he actually. He didn't deal with his childhood. He just. He separated himself. He actually was like, I remember myself in the situation. But that didn't resolve anything. Yeah. The issue was still in the back of his head because even when his brother came, he was like, didn't I send him money like, last week? What? Why are you here? Stop bothering me. Like, I paid you off. Go away. Yeah, therapy. [01:06:04] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely. Okay, next. Next is Nate Jacobs. I reckon we should just do, like, one more each. Nate Jacobs from Euphoria. Now this man, I only feel a little bit. Sorry. And when I say a little bit, I actually mean a little bit because of the type of father that he has. [01:06:20] Speaker B: Psycho. What made Nate's father like that? To be honest, I don't know. [01:06:24] Speaker A: It's just. It's the constant abuse that he's received from his father. Right. In that household that they're in. And so it's exhibiting itself in this way. So when he goes outside, he is the man, because he has the same stature as his father. So if his father is that man at home, he has control outside. So he's going to exhibit those behaviors outside. It would show itself in his relationships, especially with Cassie, who has no backbone and would just let him run through her. And she would say nothing about it because she is exactly like his mom. And he hates his mum because his. [01:06:59] Speaker B: Mom can't stand up to his father. [01:07:01] Speaker A: Yeah. And he hates his mum, so he hates himself for that as well. And it's just. It's insane. And that was why he liked Maddie so much, because she was such a pushover. But she was a pushover because they would fight and he would. He loves that because his mom would never stand up for herself. And he loves the pushback because he feels like if his mom could have just done something, so he feels like, oh, Maddie can take it. So he doesn't. He doesn't even look at the fact that it's his behavior that's the issue here. Right. He recognizes that his father's behavior is an issue, but he looks at where his father is. His father's got money, he's got wives, he's got family, all that stuff. So he's like, you know what? Seems like it's the norm, but it's not, is it? So social services, early intervention, welfare check constantly. In fact, I will take the mother and the kids away from the man and have them put into witness protection. I jest, but they definitely take them away from that man. And it's just, dude is in high school, bro. [01:08:01] Speaker B: Yeah, he's so tall. [01:08:02] Speaker A: Imagine if he goes to college where there's no parental nothing. He would ruin so many women's lives. [01:08:07] Speaker B: You probably have a child, and most. [01:08:08] Speaker A: Likely his, but guess what? His dad, the asshole he is, would cover it up and it would never change. Not a damn thing will change. Generational problems, anger issues, especially with the amount of power that that boy has as well. My God. Anyways, toxic homes breed toxic adults. That's it. That's. That's all I've got for Nate. [01:08:29] Speaker B: So my last one is Amelia Shepherd. She is a drug addict because of all the trauma she's witnessed, and she doesn't know how to handle the trauma. She doesn't speak to people. Well, when she does try to speak to people, murder shuts her down. Her brother is dead, so she really. She's on herself. And so she turns to drugs, which were her comfort, because beforehand we. In her history, we know she has a history of drug addiction. And then when her brother passes away, she's like, I need to talk to someone. So she goes to her sister in law, and her sister in law was like, I don't want to talk. I'm grieving. She's like, yeah, I know you're grieving, but I'm grieving. I wanted. I need an outlet for my grief, and she gets shut down and then she goes to drugs. I think Amelia just should be in constant, like, back to back therapies, not on rehab. Like she needs to do. Like she. I think in the future, in the later episode, she does. Goes to rehab and she does do. She goes back and does. What's it called? What's it called when you do we. She has a sponsor that she speaks to. Ah, I forgot the word. Yeah, yeah. So in the end, she does do rehab and she does get a sponsor. So when she does need an outlet for someone to talk to, she has that. And she doesn't have to turn to the drugs because her drugs were an outlet for her emotions. But now that she has a sponsor, she's good. She doesn't need to turn to the drug. She just needs to take us a call, get a coffee, and be like, I'm going through it. And then you sit down and talk to me because my half sister doesn't want to talk to me, and I need an outlet. [01:09:46] Speaker A: Yeah, no, fair play. And also, I don't know how you're going to go to the grieving wife of your brother to go and vent to. Like, you're right. [01:09:53] Speaker B: But she was like, we're going through it together. That's how she thought of it. [01:09:57] Speaker A: She knows Meredith more than that. Meredith is a crash out, crash everything. [01:10:01] Speaker B: Not at that point kind of girl. At that point, they were just getting to know each other because that bird of Derek hadn't really fully told her. She's like, yeah, I have sisters. But she hadn't met the sisters properly. [01:10:11] Speaker A: Oh, yes, she had. She'd been working at the hospital for quite some time. [01:10:14] Speaker B: I don't think they were close, though. [01:10:16] Speaker A: Fair enough, they weren't close. But I'm sure they knew the way each other was because didn't she used to date one of the other doctors as well? The ortho lady? Yeah, there was a whole thing with the auto lady, the lady with the leg. There's three of them and there's this whole Dr. Shepherd. Dr. Shepherd. Where they got the Dr. Shepherd's confused. So, yeah, she was working. She. She literally just turned up one day. Quite literally. Lunatic. [01:10:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:41] Speaker A: Didn't she also have a brain thing as well? [01:10:43] Speaker B: Yeah, she does. [01:10:44] Speaker A: Brain thing in that show. Anyway, my next one is Joe. In honor of the new season that's come out that we're yet to watch. And since it's ending, last episode last season, Mr. Joe and his abusive child with that man who he ended up killing. And there was no intervention, There was constant abuse. And so if social care or the NHS had stepped in in the uk, for example, if everything kind of quote, went right after domestic violence like that. Right. Joe would have been put into a looked after program, foster care. He would have gone to therapy and continuous psychiatric evaluation where they would have caught his crazy tendencies, weird behaviors. And. And so because that would have been caught, he would have been watched. He wouldn't have had that bookshop that he was where he unfortunately met Beck lunatic and built this whole relationship and thinking that he just needed to meet his fucking soulmate. My guy, you didn't need a soulmate. You needed a social worker breathing down your neck. My guy. Yeah, you needed a therapist. Well, to be honest, he killed the other therapist. No, he framed the other therapist. He did so. Who. You know what? Some people are just evil. And so if he would. He had, like continued such behavior, it would have been noticed and he would have just been put into some type of care and just permanently stayed there. Yeah, and he would have been sectioned or whatever. So, yeah, if that's. That's all I've got for. For Mr. Goldberg. He also needed to ban him from women. All sorts. All types of women, because you never know which one he'll find enticing and say, oh, hey, you. I think I saw something on TikTok recently about Joe. I think someone was comparing Joe and Dexter and they were like, oh, the show. You makes Joe seem like a good guy or like a guy that you should like. And. And there was this other lady that was stitching that initial one. I was like, no, that is not what the show was showing at all. The show doesn't really show him in a good light at all. They show him having a breakdown all the time. And so I commented, and I said, I think he should probably. The lady should really take a sit down to see why she thinks that Joe was portrayed in a good light, because how are we watching the same thing? [01:13:02] Speaker B: I don't know. [01:13:03] Speaker A: I mean, he locks people in cages, bro. He's charismatic. Yes, but that's where it ends, with the likeness of Joe. Like, people like Joe because he's charismatic and normal. Joe is normal. Yeah, right. Like, he's sarcastic. He's like some book nerd. He's normal. And that's how abusive people are to other people. They're normal. But closed doors, is it under closed doors, in closed doors, behind closed doors, they're up to God knows what. So that's the point. That's the point the show's trying to make. They're not trying to paint him in a good light. They're trying to let people know that they need to shine their eyes to their friends, partners, because they're not there when the doors are closed. Anyway, moving on to red light, green light. [01:13:49] Speaker B: Okay. [01:13:49] Speaker A: Which is euphoria. So, number one, Rue Bennett. How would he judge her? [01:13:54] Speaker B: Red. [01:13:55] Speaker A: Oh, I think she's an umbre. She's not a bad person. She struggles with addiction and with her grief. And she lies, she steals, she manipulates people. She's hurting, you know? [01:14:07] Speaker B: All right, still. [01:14:08] Speaker A: And she does hurt the people who also give her love as well, like her girlfriend. And. Well, her heart's in the right place, though. She doesn't. [01:14:17] Speaker B: She's not malicious. No, I understand. She's not malicious, but she's still a red flag. [01:14:20] Speaker A: Her actions aren't great, but she's kind. Like, if you look at Ru, when she's not high, she's witty, she's fun to be around. She's lovely to her sister. [01:14:31] Speaker B: Just when she's not high. [01:14:32] Speaker A: That's what I'm saying. When she's not high, when she's herself. But the addiction is what makes her still Hurt people because she's chasing that high. So that's why she gets a number from me. Because I like her. She's a cool kid. Nate Jacobs. [01:14:48] Speaker B: Red. [01:14:48] Speaker A: Red. Yeah. Abusive, manipulative, violent, broken. Oh my God. Dangerous to every single person around him, including his brother and obviously his father. Someone needs to arrest that boy and send him right to jail. That's it. Next. Fez. [01:15:05] Speaker B: Amber. [01:15:05] Speaker A: I mean, he's a drug dealer and that's it. Everything else is a green. So green. Like I said, he protects people around him. Rue, Lexi. He has a weird code of honor. Right. He's respected by the people around him. So, you know, he's someone who's. Who's fair. Right. So he gets a green. I mean, he has more ethics and more honor than Nate. I'm not gonna put him and Nate together if I'm giving Nate a red. I can't give Fez a red. [01:15:32] Speaker B: That's fine. I didn't say. I said it's Amber. [01:15:34] Speaker A: Fair play. Fair play. So you can. Green. Next. Is Cassie, your girl? [01:15:39] Speaker B: Amber? [01:15:40] Speaker A: Yeah. Amber. Anything? [01:15:42] Speaker B: No, she's just an Amber. She's a struggling girl who needs to find confidence in herself and let the rumors. [01:15:48] Speaker A: She craves validation and love to the point that she self destructs. Really. She betrayed it. She betrayed her best friend. [01:15:56] Speaker B: She did. [01:15:56] Speaker A: She's not evil though. Like, she's not a bad person. She's just. Yeah, Maddie. [01:16:01] Speaker B: Oh, Maddie's a green. [01:16:02] Speaker A: Yeah, I'd say she's. She's a loyal bitch. She is fiercely loyal. Like her. She has a strong moral code as well. Like she's clear on what she will do and what she wouldn't do. Like, even though it's messy, she's like, yeah, you know, that's what I'm gonna do. Done. And she's a ride or die. Joe's Jo. Jules. [01:16:22] Speaker B: Oh, she's a green. [01:16:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Amber. She's a bit of a wrist to herself. She'd be putting herself in certain positions. I'm just like, she's looking for something. [01:16:31] Speaker B: She's doing it for the plot. [01:16:32] Speaker A: Yeah. She's adventurous and that gets her into situation, you know? [01:16:36] Speaker B: Yeah. But she's a green. [01:16:37] Speaker A: Sometimes Selfish but vulnerable. She is a vulnerable young person, you know, and she wants to save people. She's kind, she's lovely. But girl, you know that adventure. Do stuff like adventure golf. Not meeting random men in places where boy, oh boy. But yeah, she gets a number. Yeah. I reckon she and Ru are about same level of recklessness. Lexi Howard, Green. Yeah. She's alright. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I got to say. Do you remember Ali? Ali? [01:17:05] Speaker B: No. [01:17:06] Speaker A: Karl Jacobs? [01:17:07] Speaker B: Red. [01:17:07] Speaker A: Red Bastard. A predator, an abuser. There's no amount of crying in a fucking gay bar that would make me simply give that man any type of sympathy anytime. [01:17:17] Speaker B: Oh, that's how it started. Oh, goodness me. Because he grew up in a period where he couldn't love the man he wanted to love. [01:17:23] Speaker A: Jail immediately. Somebody call the cops. Oh my God. Him and his son, they need to be locked off. Oh. Anyway, you just hope that the young one, the younger brother doesn't. Doesn't have. [01:17:35] Speaker B: Oh, he does. [01:17:35] Speaker A: He does, isn't he? [01:17:36] Speaker B: I'm pretty sure he hasn't. I haven't seen him. [01:17:38] Speaker A: Yeah, but I can. [01:17:39] Speaker B: I can feel it. [01:17:40] Speaker A: And Cat, Finally. [01:17:42] Speaker B: Cat's a number. [01:17:43] Speaker A: Yeah, it starts off nice, doesn't it? [01:17:45] Speaker B: What? Cat? [01:17:45] Speaker A: Yeah, because she's empowered. She's not feeling like herself. [01:17:48] Speaker B: And then what, she becomes a pin? Done. [01:17:50] Speaker A: She becomes toxic. Anyway, yeah, she gets a number. Right, so moving on to this or that. Okay, Scenario based. This or that. Right, so who's the ultimate queen of messy but iconic? Maddy Perez or Blair Waldorf? [01:18:05] Speaker B: Maddie, haven't watched Cosmic Girl. [01:18:07] Speaker A: Ah, Blair. Who's more self sabotaging? Cassie Howard or Serena Van Der Woodson? Cassie, promise you, you need to watch Gossip Girl. [01:18:16] Speaker B: Okay. [01:18:16] Speaker A: Because you will know this bit. Yeah, I told you. Oh. They both slept with their best friend's boyfriend and that's all that Cassie has done so far. [01:18:25] Speaker B: That we know of. [01:18:25] Speaker A: Well, yeah, on the show, but in Gossip Girl? Serena. Okay, moving on. Who's the bigger walking tragedy in desperate need of NHS intervention? Rue or BoJack Horseman? [01:18:40] Speaker B: BoJack. [01:18:40] Speaker A: 100%. I'm so sorry. Rue D needs it. But yeah, BoJack. Therefore. So if you had to pick one oddball to be your ride or die in a crisis, who's your guy? Fezco or Dwight Schrute? Fez. Fez. Dwight is a narc. Who's more dangerous to date? Love Queen from you or Nate Jacobs? [01:19:00] Speaker B: More dangerous to date? Yeah, love. Nate's just abusive verbally. Love will poison me slowly and she'll make me know that she's poisoning me. [01:19:08] Speaker A: I wish you can run away from Nate and he would lose interest in finding you. Yeah, love will find you when she has the resources to do so as well. And the smarts to find you. Okay, who's the real MVP of the streets? Fez or Astray? They're both the kids. Or Fez. [01:19:23] Speaker B: Fez. Because he's taking Cares up at Ashtray. [01:19:25] Speaker A: Yeah, I'd say Fez, but Fez is. Astro is loyal. Which reality show is. Which reality show is better at producing absolute chaos? Love Island UK or Too Hot to Handle? [01:19:37] Speaker B: Too Hot to Handle. [01:19:38] Speaker A: Really? [01:19:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:19:39] Speaker A: To be honest, I only watched, like, three seasons or so. Fair play, right? Which toxic couple would. You Would just. Could destroy you or would destroy you faster? Cassie and Nate or Joe and Love? [01:19:52] Speaker B: Who destroy me faster? Joe in Love. [01:19:54] Speaker A: Yeah. Cassie and Nate don't hold a candle to Joan. Love. Who's the scarier, charming murderer? Villanelle or Joe? [01:20:02] Speaker B: I'm gonna say Villanelle for sure. My God, she takes joy in it. [01:20:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Which Marvel series delivered the better story? WandaVision or Loki story? [01:20:12] Speaker B: WandaVision. But Loki's funny. [01:20:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Who's better at mixing absolute disaster, fixing absolute disaster? Olivia Pope or Annalise Kon? [01:20:21] Speaker B: Olivia Pope. [01:20:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Annalise herself is a mess. I don't even think she ever fixed one thing. Who's the real queen of living life on her own terms? Carrie Bradshaw or Samantha Jones? [01:20:31] Speaker B: Samantha Jones. [01:20:32] Speaker A: Who's the bigger nice guy, menace? Ross Geller or Ted Mosby? [01:20:37] Speaker B: Ross. [01:20:37] Speaker A: Fuck that guy, man. Who's the better hilarious, chaotic womanizer with a secret heart? Barney or Schmidt? Barney. [01:20:46] Speaker B: Come on. Schmidt. [01:20:47] Speaker A: I know, but Barney for me? [01:20:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm gonna say Schmidt. He's. Yeah. [01:20:53] Speaker A: Who is the better awkward but somehow still iconic TV girl? Jess Day or Robin Shabatsky? Robin. I found Jess quite annoying sometimes. [01:21:03] Speaker B: That's fair. [01:21:03] Speaker A: Who's it for? [01:21:04] Speaker B: You. What's the scenario? [01:21:05] Speaker A: Who's the better. No, sorry. Who's the better awkward but somehow still iconic Robin. Yeah. Which lovable mess would you want as your best friend? Nick or Marshall? [01:21:17] Speaker B: Marshall. [01:21:18] Speaker A: Yeah. Nick is just too much of a mess. I can't cope. Right. Who would you rather have as your unpredictable roommate, Ru or Jess? Jess. No doubt. Imagine coming home to someone just overdosing on the floor. No. Can't cope. Who causes more chaos in a night out, Villanelle or Barney Stinson? [01:21:39] Speaker B: Villanelle. [01:21:40] Speaker A: Who's more dramatic over basically everything? Carrie Bradshaw or Olivia Pope? [01:21:46] Speaker B: Carrie. You think Olivia's not dramatic? [01:21:48] Speaker A: Remember the whole she finds out who. Well, to be honest, what she finds out is quite crazy. So. Carrie. Yeah. All Carrie ever finds out someone's shitting on her, like, social issues, which. Why not? [01:21:57] Speaker B: Olivia's not dramatic. She just deals with things as it comes to her. [01:22:00] Speaker A: She's dramatic. My girl ran away to a whole island, and she was gonna run away as well when they found out that she was the other lady that the president was seeing. Remember that whole thing when she was wearing. [01:22:09] Speaker B: That is justified. Me, too. I run away because I don't want to press on me. [01:22:13] Speaker A: I'm just saying. That's what I said. Like there's actually real stuff happening to Olivia Pope compared to. [01:22:17] Speaker B: Yeah, but that's not her being dramatic. That's just her trying to protect herself. [01:22:19] Speaker A: A bit dramatic still. [01:22:21] Speaker B: So you wouldn't try and protect yourself in that situation? [01:22:23] Speaker A: Not in the way she actually did. And the whole. Earn me if you want me, bitch. You're seeing a married man. There ain't no earning. You have stooped lower than low. Calm the fuck down. Okay, if you're broke and need a best friend to survive with, who's your guy? Nick or Fez? Fez. Fez. Who wins a Most Savage comeback contest? Maddie or Samantha? [01:22:48] Speaker B: Samantha. [01:22:49] Speaker A: Who's scarier when they fall in love with you? Ted Mosby or Joe Goldberg? [01:22:54] Speaker B: Joe. [01:22:54] Speaker A: Joe, unfortunately. [01:22:57] Speaker B: Last two. [01:22:58] Speaker A: Last four. And there's more, actually. [01:23:00] Speaker B: Okay, we'll put that last two. [01:23:02] Speaker A: No, no, no. Because there is a last two. Okay, so we'll do last three. Who's more likely to actually survive a zombie apocalypse, Fez or Dwight? [01:23:13] Speaker B: Fez. [01:23:14] Speaker A: Dwight. [01:23:14] Speaker B: Actually, I'd say I haven't watched Walking Dead. [01:23:16] Speaker A: Oh, no, no. The office. [01:23:18] Speaker B: Dwight, come watch. Half a Caesar. [01:23:20] Speaker A: Okay, who's the more toxic father figure or husband mess? [01:23:25] Speaker B: Okay. [01:23:25] Speaker A: Big. Or Karl Jacobs. [01:23:27] Speaker B: Karl Jacobs. [01:23:27] Speaker A: Who's the ultimate last one? Who's the ultimate adorkable hot mess queen? Mindy Lahiri or Jessica Day? [01:23:35] Speaker B: Mindy. [01:23:36] Speaker A: I'd say. Now, the final two. You accidentally insulted one of them at a party. Who would you pick to stalk you across three countries first, Villanelle or Jo? [01:23:49] Speaker B: Villanelle. She'll have fun with it. [01:23:51] Speaker A: You wouldn't have fun with it. I'd rather Jo. Cause Jo would romance me, at least. [01:23:55] Speaker B: So Villanelle in her own special way. [01:23:56] Speaker A: No, I'd rather the romance from Jo. [01:23:59] Speaker B: Okay? [01:23:59] Speaker A: Because at least there's a. There's a chance I could escape because he set people free. [01:24:04] Speaker B: Two. [01:24:04] Speaker A: Yeah, chance. Still. How many people has Villanelle set free, please? [01:24:08] Speaker B: One. [01:24:09] Speaker A: I take my chances with Jo. [01:24:10] Speaker B: What do you want? [01:24:13] Speaker A: Okay, and final one. You post a messy breakup announcement on Instagram. Who shows up at your house, champagne in hand, ready to torch your ex's life for you? Samantha or Maddie? [01:24:26] Speaker B: Maddie. [01:24:26] Speaker A: I want Samantha because she'll gas me up. She'll come with caviar as well and the good champagne. [01:24:32] Speaker B: Maddie, be ready to torch in the man's car. [01:24:33] Speaker A: Well, I don't want to torch any car. No misdemeanors. No, no, no, no, no. She'll take me to a club. I'll enjoy myself. She'll find me a man to do my thing. We'll have fun. We'll eat good, we'll come home. She'll buy me a nice vibrator, a nice book, and I'll be happy. And she'll give me the number to a good therapist. Samantha's a fantastic friend and she'll give me horrible advice and that's okay. And I know I'm not going to take it, but she's still giving it and the love is there. And yeah, that is it for this episode. [01:25:03] Speaker B: Fantastic. [01:25:04] Speaker A: Yes. Let us know if you've enjoyed it. If you guys like this new format, let us know. Comment below what your fav are. And yeah, we'll keep on carrying on with this. With this format. And I'm assuming the next one will be a film, like a film episode type thing. [01:25:18] Speaker B: Sure. [01:25:18] Speaker A: Okie dokie. All right. Bye. [01:25:21] Speaker B: Bye. Because Robin didn't want to have children and he did.