Women, Women, Women

[00:00:03] Speaker A: Welcome, everyone, to our podcast called Our Isekai. [00:00:07] Speaker B: Indeed, our world, our rules. It is. [00:00:11] Speaker A: Yeah, that's it. I am. You're currently underpowered. I'm sure at some point I will be overpowered. Main character Uchenna. [00:00:25] Speaker B: Your energy isn't given main character majesty. [00:00:28] Speaker A: It's a warm up. Yeah, I'll get there. A warm up. [00:00:31] Speaker B: Okay. And I am super seeing face as always. Yeah, I'm charging up still. [00:00:39] Speaker A: Let it be known it's a Friday after work. Yeah. All right, so today we have decided to go because obviously it's Women's International Women's Month, and also so we've just decided to celebrate women, really. So today we will be celebrating the impact that women have had in anime, in film and in television. So we'll try to go kind of from directors to writers to female leads. And so, yeah, it's a strictly women's only episode. Obviously, we'll mention some of them because, I mean, women have written male characters and they've written them quite well, in my opinion. So, yeah, that's. That's pretty much where we're at for. On this one. Do you want to start? [00:01:24] Speaker B: Okay, so I'm gonna highlight three women that I think are being very impactful in the world of women industry. Okay, so we've got Shonda Rhimes. Oh, Shonda Rhymes Universe, as we all know. [00:01:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:34] Speaker B: We got Viola Davis. [00:01:35] Speaker A: Okay. [00:01:36] Speaker B: And we also got Issa Rae. [00:01:37] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I've got a Starmine as well. Yeah, yeah. I have a whole thing. I tried to be diverse. I really did. I have a few people that are there that I don't really know how to pronounce their names. So I've just cut them out. [00:01:50] Speaker B: I've kept mine to three people that I. That I know because otherwise were, like, going up in the handwriting or something. I did not know. [00:01:55] Speaker A: That's fair. [00:01:56] Speaker B: So Shonda Rhimes, our writer, director, producer, she does it all, honestly. So my first introduction to the Shonda Rhimes universe was Scandal. Her writing of Olivia Pope, fantastic. The way that. The way Kerry Washington delivered the character was just outstanding, like, from the start to end, you can truly feel like her passion towards the project. And also not only that, I feel like the other leads, other characters that she wrote in, even though there was like, okay, yeah, Scandal. And my next introduction, my next integration into Shonda Rhine's universe was Grey's Anatomy. Grey's was the original pick me. She really was the original pick me. As in Dr. Grey was original. Pick me. [00:02:50] Speaker A: Her mum or her gray herself. What's her name again? [00:02:55] Speaker B: Meredith. [00:02:56] Speaker A: Yeah, Meredith. [00:02:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:57] Speaker A: Right. [00:02:58] Speaker B: In her first few seasons, she was characterized as almost the pig me. Her character did grow after season two, but I feel like it's. When we've seen her. Her interaction with Derek and she was. I think it was an iconic line that was trending last year on TikTok. I'm sorry. To the mic, where she was like, pick me. Choose me. It was just after Derek's ex wife just came, like, came back, and then Derek was like, in between sort of thing, and she was like, I'm the best option. But, yeah. [00:03:28] Speaker A: So I don't think that was what she was trying to say. [00:03:32] Speaker B: What would you think she was trying to say? [00:03:34] Speaker A: I mean, yes, it was pick me, but she had also mentioned to him, who the fuck do you think you are? [00:03:43] Speaker B: Yes. [00:03:44] Speaker A: And where she's like, you know what? You either pick me or you fuck her for my lifetime. [00:03:47] Speaker B: But I think that only came in after her best friend came through to talk to her. [00:03:51] Speaker A: I also believe that in that moment, she was being very vulnerable and kind of telling him that she actually does love him. Because he wasn't quite sure at the time. He just thought because one, he's older and she's this pretty young thing, he might not have been taking their relationship as seriously. [00:04:10] Speaker B: Okay. [00:04:10] Speaker A: So in my opinion, that was her being like, you know, I'm actually in. Like, I like you as well. Like, pick me. That was how I saw it. [00:04:17] Speaker B: Okay. The way I saw it. Why? [00:04:20] Speaker A: It wasn't like she was begging. [00:04:21] Speaker B: No, she wasn't begging. But as I said, she was literally telling him that I'm the best option. And that's how. How I saw it. And it wasn't until her best friend was like, you're actually the sun in this situation. You're actually the light. You need to remember who you are in this situation. That's how I perceived it because that's. I forgot her name. Yang. Not Yang. [00:04:38] Speaker A: Christina. [00:04:38] Speaker B: Christina Yang. Yeah. Christina Yang really helped her in that situation. But what I'm trying to say is, like, the character development of how Shonda Rhimes writes is very. It's shown and pertaining the way the characters themselves grow. [00:04:49] Speaker A: I agree. [00:04:50] Speaker B: And how the universe. Her universe is actually expands. This also goes into, like, the Bridgerton universe that we're currently going through and how she's. She wrote the script for it, but not the books. She's adapted the books into a script and she. Right, right. And that. That has gone well. Like, I haven't Read the books myself, but from what I've seen, most of it, like, very depict. Depictable of what the book was trying to show, like, in regards to the emotions of the character and the way the characters develop and grow in themselves. And yeah, I'm trying to get into murder mystery, but I feel it was like. I've already watched Scandal. The shock. Shock factor of murder mystery isn't there, if that makes sense. Because Scandal is. Once you get to, like, the final season of the Scandal, there's not much that you. Because you. [00:05:35] Speaker A: Surprise. [00:05:35] Speaker B: Yeah, so now I'm watching. I'm trying to watch murder mystery, and I'm like, this. [00:05:40] Speaker A: Is it out yet? Did it already come out? [00:05:42] Speaker B: Is it made of mystery? I'm talking about what if I got it. Davis. [00:05:46] Speaker A: Oh, how to Get Away with murder. [00:05:48] Speaker B: Sorry, Miss? Yeah. [00:05:49] Speaker A: Oh, okay. So I'm thinking, because Shonda Rhimes has got a new one that's coming out at some point this month, I believe it's kind of a murder mystery. Someone's passed away in the White House, and it's by the lady that's starring in it is the lady that was in Orange is the New Black. [00:06:03] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:06:03] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, it's. It looks really good. And the guy in the Marvel's thing, the funny guy, I forget his name as well. I'm sorry, I'm not very good at this. Remember names. I mean, sometimes. But, yeah, I completely agree with Shonda Rhimes. Your take on Shonda Rhimes. Sorry. She does write very complex female characters and sometimes morally gray ones, which I think a lot of the times can be missing in media. Yeah. So, for example, the lawyer, Annalise Keaton, her character is very. My God. The woman was kind of a monster, but she was hardcore. She felt things. And you can feel that from the way Viola Davis portrayed her. Even going to Scandal in Kerry Washington, that was such an impactful moment. I mean, Twitter around that time. My God, my goodness. It was something to have experienced, and it was just. It was a woman that was doing this. And it's the same thing with. With Grays as well. Especially for how long it's gone on for the people that have come and gone. And it's dealt with so many serious issues. It's kind of dealt with political issues. It's dealt with women's issues. It's dealt with Christianity, morality. It's dealt with so many things. I remember when the Plastics was a thing and they had this conversation about plastic surgery, and it's just the way that sometimes they Just subtly add, you know, societal, you know, little things in there, and you're like, I'm pretty sure. And then you're like, did that? Yeah, yeah, that was definitely that. And, yeah, it's very intuitive writing. You don't. I haven't felt thrown out by a character, if that makes sense. Like, the characters are very complex. Complex, complex. They're not just, like, one way. I'll give you a thingy. Alex Karev at the beginning, who he was, and a lot of people are of the opinion that his character was kind of ruined at the end, but I haven't gotten there yet. I haven't really finished the whole thing. But, yeah, his character kind of grew and developed into, like, you know, a lot. She played through a lot. Like, what is it, three crazy women or two crazy women in his life? No, we're not even talking about Meredith, who was his best friend, and Christina Yang, that was also in his life, but just the women that he was in relationships with. And you can kind of see how that impacted him. Right. Same thing with the women. You can see how the relationships that they've had kind of impacted them and made them into who they then became. I'm not really sure about how to get away with murder because I haven't really watched it. I watched season one, and I didn't continue with season two because I just didn't. I didn't quite get it. But I do know how impactful it was. I did watch Scandal, and I was hooked from the get go. They lost me a little bit, I believe, after she came back, when she was. [00:08:55] Speaker B: Well, after she was abducted. [00:08:56] Speaker A: Yeah, after she was kidnapped and ransomed and all that. And then she started running B6 13. And, yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't completely sure about that one. But, yeah, her characters are very, very, very interesting. Very complex. Very. And fun as well. Also, there's something I saw recently about how Olivia is a functioning alcoholic type thing, and I was just. I kind of rolled my eyes, but I also get it. But at the same time, c'est lovely. I mean, because there are characters like that. There are women like that who drink and who. Like, that's. That's their thing. And that will say is kind of my thing. I mean, I don't drink that often, but when I do, I do. It's fine. Yeah. And in my opinion, it just makes the characters real. Yeah. Who's on your. Who's next on your list? Excuse me. So if you're not able to tell, we both have a Cold slash, cough type thing. [00:10:12] Speaker B: Disclosure. [00:10:13] Speaker A: You got to. You got to. [00:10:16] Speaker B: Okay, so next on my list is Viola Davis. So Viola Davis was the first black actor to get an Oscar, an Emmy, and a Tony. [00:10:29] Speaker A: An egot. [00:10:30] Speaker B: No, she hasn't got the egot yet because she hasn't got a Grammy. [00:10:32] Speaker A: Correction. She does have an egotistical woman to do so. She's not the first black woman, though. [00:10:37] Speaker B: To get all three. [00:10:38] Speaker A: Yeah, no, she's not. [00:10:40] Speaker B: Who got it before her then? [00:10:42] Speaker A: I'm pretty sure another black woman has a full ego already. [00:10:46] Speaker B: Yeah, but I say she was the first to get three of the first three. But I'm not saying she's completed the egot. I'm saying she was the first to get three of the four. I'm not sure who has all the. Who has the complete E. Got to be honest. To be honest, it's not. [00:10:59] Speaker A: I think it's actually more than one now. I'm pretty sure. [00:11:04] Speaker B: Okay. We can fact check it. [00:11:06] Speaker A: Okay. [00:11:08] Speaker B: But, yeah, she has. She's very well acclaimed for what she does. She's a good actor. I think. I can't remember what she. I think it's not last year, but two years ago where she was. I can't remember the movie. It was about how before, like, during the slave trade area and then there was the kingdoms, and she was protecting her kingdom with her king. [00:11:28] Speaker A: Woman King. [00:11:29] Speaker B: Yeah, she was a woman. That movie, fantastic. I love the portrayal. I love the story. I love her character. I love her backstory. Her backstory was so touching. Have you watched it? If you haven't watched Woman King, I suggest you do. It's not like the historical impact of the movie was trying to portray, but just for the. Just to see how things were for women during that period. Like, not like. Especially not women that were traded, but people. Women that were fighting for their. For their. Their kingdoms as per. Say as they were in those. Those time periods. But, yeah, so Viola Davis and even her personal backstory and how she got into acting, it was a struggle for her. Honestly, reading her story is so. It's so sad, but it's also inspiring. Inspiring because she used to get bullied when she was younger. She was. But that's. I think that's very typical for most black actors, to be honest, because of the time they grew up in. So she got bullied, she got into theater, and then from theater, she went into acting. But, yeah, I love Viola Davis's life. She's very inspirational. And she fights really hard for her. For other women as well. In the industry, especially with them. There's been talks about in the past about how black actors don't always get paid the same as their counterparts. And she's very. Been very advocate. She's a very proud advocate of trying to get people, trying to get everyone on a similar pay grade, regardless of their, of their race. But yeah. And last on my list is Issa Rae. So Issa Rae, creator of Insecure, a fantastic show. So Issa Rae is on my list because of her portrayal of black female characters, though Shonda Rhimes does do the same. I think Issa portrays my kind of white girl. So we got from the main characters of Insuka, you got Molly and you got Issa, and they're both very awkward. You got Molly, who's a corporate girly, but she likes to get loose on the weekend. She's does yoga and smokes weed. And then you got Issa with her messy life. She does grow out of the messiness, but it's very real. It's like I can see myself in either one of them. And it's just fun to watch. It's just easy. And it's just like, even like their friendship group and their circle, I'm like this, I can see this in real life. I can see all these people being best friends. Even Candace when she's going through her post Hartroom depression and how that's so realistic and how it shows how devastating it can be on both partners, both the person who's going through the depression and a person who's trying to help their significant other in that depression. And how her friends were there for her as well. And we also got how the breakup of Molly and Issa, sad tears were shed. I was broken for both of them because they were both right and they were both wrong. But at the same take, it portrays like a realistic feeling of friendship because both parties can be both right, because they're both stubborn, one of them has to give way. But because they both feel like they're giving way, they didn't want to talk until their friends got involved and be like, you two need to cut this out. And then they had a heart to heart. And then, I mean, it wasn't straight away they were besties again. But it did show how even in that female relationships, even though they're so strong, they're also very fragile. And I really appreciate her take on black female characters, like, in comparison to Sheldon Ryan's, because her, they both portrayed female characters very well, but they don't. [00:15:02] Speaker A: Necessarily show friendship well between black Women that I've seen so far. [00:15:07] Speaker B: That's not true. In Shonda Rhimes. What's that called? Queen Charlotte. We see the friendship of her and Queen Charlotte and lady. Like that thingy. [00:15:18] Speaker A: I think. I'm thinking more. That's more recent. [00:15:21] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. [00:15:21] Speaker A: Compared to obviously Insecure. That happened quite a while ago. There was a chance to have given Bailey another female black friend. [00:15:29] Speaker B: That's fair. But that also shows the growth of Shonda Ramsay's Ryan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven't seen other of Issa's projects, but I heard she didn't want. [00:15:41] Speaker A: With the Kiki. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I need to watch that as soon as possible. Yeah, it looks very funny. I've seen the interviews that they've done, and I'm just. I just cackle every time Kiki gets me. She makes me laugh. She's done quite a bit in terms of representation, in my opinion. Yeah. I just. And her podcast as well is doing well. Kiki Palm. I mean, she was on tv. Like, Kiki has been working, bro. I mean, since like, True Jackson vp. [00:16:12] Speaker B: Love that show. [00:16:12] Speaker A: I mean, come on. She's. And like, she's still working as well and just. Wow. Like, she takes me and she's. We've quite literally watched her grow as well. She's now age into. Stop it. But, yeah, no, I agree with Issa Ray's. The assessment on Issa Ray. She's been. She's actually done a lot as well. She invested in recently. No, I don't know how true this is. She's invested in a football. To the American soccer team with Thames. [00:16:41] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I feel that I saw that. [00:16:43] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. And she's also invested in the diamonds, the ones that they make in real life, not the one that they dig up from Earth. She's invested in that as well. [00:16:53] Speaker B: Okay. [00:16:53] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. She's done quite a lot with her money. It's very interesting to see in, like, she's quite literally diverse, diversified her portfolio, and she's not just got all her eggs in one basket. And that's quite interesting. I wonder if there'll be an Insecure film. Film, yeah. I'd love there to be, though. [00:17:12] Speaker B: She showed up one day on my Instagram married. I was like, I didn't even know you're dating. What do you mean? You are married, like, yesterday. [00:17:19] Speaker A: I mean, from what I gather, Insecure was loosely based on her life. Isn't that right? [00:17:23] Speaker B: I'm not sure. [00:17:24] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm not sure either, but I heard that somewhere. I don't know where I heard that. [00:17:27] Speaker B: From, but yeah, I think when after the film, the second season was out and it was just like Married. [00:17:33] Speaker A: No, the last season. [00:17:34] Speaker B: Yeah. They have two seasons. No, no, they're three. [00:17:38] Speaker A: No, the six of five seasons Of Insecure. Of insecure. Of insecure. [00:17:45] Speaker B: Are we sure? Wow. There are five seasons. [00:17:49] Speaker A: Five seasons. [00:17:51] Speaker B: That's a lot. It felt like it was like. [00:17:54] Speaker A: No, it's quite short because I think the. The episodes there were. Like I said, There were barely 10 episodes in one season, I think. Yeah, but yeah, okay. So I kind of went a slightly different route. I didn't just pick one woman because, I mean, that's so many of us. Yeah, no, I know. I kind of did a whole thing. So just bear with me while I go through like what I kind of thought in my head. Right, so we'll start with anime. Right. And the kind of movements that women have kind of made in that side of media. There is now more. There's an increase, I'd say that I've noticed in like female protagonists of sorts. Right. So we have your Forger. We have Power and Chainsaw Man. We have Nobara and Jujutsu Kaisen. And obviously not that they haven't. There's Free Run. And I learned that she was also female. I did not know that's actually an anime. That's on my list of things to watch. Excuse me. Obviously we've always had women in anime. What's the one I like? The one in the shooting anime that wears the shorts. The jean shorts. [00:19:07] Speaker B: Black Lagoon. [00:19:08] Speaker A: Yes. Revy. Obviously there's always been women like Revi and Balalaika, but not in popular anime. So there's now pretty strong and very likable emphasis. And likable female characters in more Shounen esque or more popular things. [00:19:23] Speaker B: And also I think we had Hinata and Naruto. Hinata was light. [00:19:28] Speaker A: Okay, Name another one in Shonen. [00:19:31] Speaker B: Rukia in Bleach. [00:19:33] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:19:34] Speaker B: Rukia was like Arima. Let's see. [00:19:37] Speaker A: Arima is very complicated. [00:19:39] Speaker B: Before I say it, I want to say I'm correct with this. I'm trying to remember her name. [00:19:45] Speaker A: Who is she? What's she in? [00:19:47] Speaker B: She's in Dragon Ball. [00:19:49] Speaker A: Which one? Chichi. [00:19:50] Speaker B: See, Chichi was white. [00:19:57] Speaker A: She grew on me. [00:19:59] Speaker B: It doesn't matter if she grew on you. I'm talking about in the actual universe. [00:20:04] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:20:05] Speaker B: That's your personal take. [00:20:06] Speaker A: Are you sure he's cheating? Because there's another one. The one that was with that guy. What's his name? The one that keeps dying all the time. What's his face? She's literally the first girl that shows up. Bulma and Yamcha. It's not Chi Chi. It's not Chi Chi. Chi Chi is just what keeps coming to my head. [00:20:23] Speaker B: Anyway, it doesn't matter. [00:20:24] Speaker A: Are you sure it's Chi Chi? Should I show you Chi Chi? [00:20:28] Speaker B: We got Robin. Oh, One piece. [00:20:31] Speaker A: Robin is not. She wasn't likable from the get go. That's chichi. Is that what you mean? Is it the one with the blue hair? [00:20:36] Speaker B: No, I like Chi Chi. [00:20:37] Speaker A: Okay, it was Chichi. You meant Bulma. That's it. [00:20:40] Speaker B: Okay. [00:20:42] Speaker A: Bulma wasn't necessarily likable from the gag guy. I liked her though. Chichi became likable. She was kind of a crybaby at the start. Not gonna lie to you. Yeah, but she was also very strong though, from the start. So I did like that. She was the first girl that. No, actually Bulma was the first girl that he came across. You know. Okay, we're talking about women. Let's. Let's round that up. But anyway, there is now more, in my opinion, I think, because more women are like out there about their interest in anime. Obviously with the rise of the likes of Megan Thee Stallion, the people are more. Women are more comfortable in anime right now, and I believe that their voices are somewhat being heard. Do we have more steps? More. More ways. More ways to go. Yeah. But I also would like to see more funding into like, female characters or the development of like, anime for women. The director, a huge shout out to the writer of Full Meta Alchemist. Yes. He's currently working on a thing with Netflix and that was actually quite, quite good to see. Excuse me. Also with the rise again, all of more female protagonists. So, like them being the one of the main people. Right. Because Free Reign is literally her thing and Nobara is mainly, you know, one of the main three, and Yor is literally her. What's the kid's name? I mean, Anna. Those are two of the main women in the three. Right. So, yeah, it's. That in itself is really, really, really, really nice to see in popular anime. Right. Also the rise of female lead in anime as well. So we have the Apothecary Daris. I know that. That's because I was researching and I was like, people were very specific about things that are shonen and not shonen are so jarring. I was like, okay, know the difference? Yes, I know there's a difference. But I'm saying people were very specific about what they're classified, noting the differences. So I was like, oh, all right. And also, not that they haven't been so things like Kill La Kill, where majority of them were women anyway. And that's a very, very, very old anime. And Ghost in a Shell major. Hey, I forget her name, but she. Her. Excuse me, she obviously old anime. So it's not like there hasn't been. Not that they haven't existed, but now that there's more and there's also more people to consume it. And I'm very, very happy that that's happening right now. Or say we have female villains. And I think society is also now comfortable with female villains. Right. I think when I say female villains, I'm going to come out of anime for a minute and talk about Basic Instinct something. Basic Instinct? Yeah. The one with Sharon Stone. Yeah. So she wasn't. She was pretty much the bad person in that. And it wasn't necessarily well received at the time, but I think a character like that now, there would be no question about it. People would love her so much. I mean, not to say that people didn't love her so much back then, but she's still definitely a psycho. But yeah, I'm happy to see that in anime, but obviously, because that was. That's a feeling that's completely separate. It's somewhat. That's Hollywood. Right. So. And also in anime, female writers, apparently female animation makers are making waves. And that is great to see. And that's the end of that one. On that one, because I wanted to look. It would just make this whole thing a lot longer than I kind of wanted to be. So I'm just gonna go through. [00:24:22] Speaker B: Oh. In anime as well. The writer of Sailor Moon. Yeah, she pioneered. Well, I didn't say she pioneered. I mean, the magical Girl kingdom was always there, but I think it became more well known from the rise of Sailor Moon. [00:24:33] Speaker A: Sailor Moon, Yeah. [00:24:34] Speaker B: And they currently have a thing. I told you about the Sailor Moon shoes that came out last year. [00:24:39] Speaker A: Yes. [00:24:39] Speaker B: Still my wish list, because I haven't bought them yet. But as Sailor Moon's iconic still to this day, not one Mancha Girl who you can be like. So you watch Pantry Girl. And they haven't said Sailor Moon is like something they know of. Even if they haven't watched it, it might be on the watch list, but they always aware of it. Yes, Sailor Moon. But. Yeah. [00:25:00] Speaker A: And also speaking of female villains as well, there's the likes of Esdeath. Right. And Kaguya in Naruto. So I think we are becoming a lot more comfortable with seeing women in certain character types. Is that right? I suppose in anime, because usually you'd have like the evil girl that's not quite evil, but these ones are just pure evil. You know what I mean? And yeah, I'm happy for that. But obviously I also want to note that Sdeath and Kaguya are also actually not recent. No, they're not. Can I think of any recent ones? Oh, there's a recent one in hero academia. I forget her name, but there's a. There's a female villain in there, I'm pretty sure. I don't know. I don't remember what her name is though. Yeah. Okay. So all in all, anime moving forward. I would love us to keep moving forward and to keep showing up for women that are in anime just showing support, really. Oh, oh, Speaking of animation, there's this new animation that came out that was done by a black. I do not remember her name, but I will search to the end of the and find a way to put the name on here as I speak. I've put that on my wish list of things to watch when it. I believe it's actually out now, but I'll put it on my list of things to watch so that we could talk about it. So it's made by a young black woman, and the characters are also black as well. So I'm very interested in that. There's also a rise in black maid owned. Like mangas, like cartoons, animations, all that. There's the Iyanu as well, the one that's based loosely on Yoruba folklore. [00:26:47] Speaker B: Okay. [00:26:48] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. So it's. Yeah, there's a rise in that. And also she's a female main character as well, so. Good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Up. Women. Now, I don't know if the creator of that is a woman or not, but still it's a female character. So thumbs up. Moving on now to films. Barbie. Everything everywhere, all at once. Huge, huge. Last year. [00:27:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:13] Speaker A: And they made such a huge impact. Right. It was a great moment, in my opinion, to kind of experience that and to see that. I mean, Michelle. Yo, yo. Pardon my pronunciation won an award for that. And. Yeah, yeah. And the whole Oppenheimer and Barbie thing was also like a huge, huge, huge thing. And I'm just. I'm so very proud that that was actually even able to be a thing. You obviously know what I think of oceans and the Ghostbusters thing. But I would not say such a thing on here. Also, female directors are doing their thing as well, right? Greta Gerwig, Chloe Zhao and Nia Dacosta. And also Issa Rae. Yeah, yeah. And, yeah, they're making their moves. Oh, also the young lady from Black. Ish. [00:28:16] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. The youngest female producer. [00:28:17] Speaker A: Yes, yes, yes. Very much proud of her. Very much proud of the steps that women are making and how they're going about getting funding and just kind of going on panels and having these difficult conversations that, you know, so that they can pave the way for women. And I think that is amazing. Also, speaking of Hollywood, they are also female action stars. We've always had that, to be honest with. What's the name of that one that fights Lara Croft? Yeah, right. And now there's even more. Sticking with the Angelina Jolie thing. Salt. Salt was fantastic. Yeah. And Charlize Theron as an actress. The Furiosa. Yeah. Scarlett Johansson as Black Widow. Fantastic. They were. They've, in a way, I believe that Scarlett Johansson, regardless of what people might think, I don't even know. I think her PR is pretty positive. But what she did as Black Widow on telly in Hollywood, I think it's been rather great. Same thing with the Blue lady from back then in Jenny. [00:29:28] Speaker B: Jennifer. [00:29:29] Speaker A: Jennifer's the new one. Yes, her. But the old, old one. The old, old X Men. What's the name of that character again? [00:29:34] Speaker B: Mystique. [00:29:35] Speaker A: Mystique. [00:29:36] Speaker B: I thought you meant the actor. I don't know. I was like, I don't know who the actor is. [00:29:39] Speaker A: Yeah, but I forget she was in she's the lady and she's like this really popular model. I forget her name. But anyway, she was one of. I mean, because remember mystic used to do like all sorts of movements. SHOUT out Also. Also in speaking of Hollywood to female stunt people. Yeah, there's more and that's fantastic. And there's more because there's more women doing action films and doing, you know, all these quote unquote risky things. And in my opinion, I think it's great to see. What a time to be alive and all, you fucking anti feminist. [00:30:16] Speaker B: We already had this moment last week. Let's move. [00:30:19] Speaker A: Carry on. All right. Women in film. Yes. And then winning awards for best and best and best. I'm liking that. I would like to see more. I'd also like to see more categories as well in awards season. Just in general, to be honest. Not even just female specific, just in general, because I think. Well, then they'll be like, oh, you're just giving awards for everything. I don't know, there's got to be a balance, but I feel like you can dash out a few more awards, surely. And, yeah, I'm really hoping that because there's more women in Hollywood now, there would be a better portrayal of women. There has been better portrayal of women. What's that litmus test thing? You know, that test where they're like, can two women have a whole conversation and not talk about men? I'm hoping that there would be more of those that we see in films than passing. I mean, this. This particular test. So, yeah, I've already kind of spoken about the directors and the positive impacts that I'm hoping that they're making and how I'm hoping that young women can see them and be like, oh, yeah, I'd like to be that. Or even maybe see some men and see what they're doing and be like, why can't I do that? Surely I can do that and just go ahead and do it, because, yes, you can, and, yes, you will. Yes. I feel like this has kind of turned rather serious, but my intention is just to kind of highlight iconic female characters and action stars. And now, moving on to TV series, I would like to curse out almost every single one of them. But that's a conversation for another day. We'll start with the positives. Yeah. House of Dragon. That's good. It represents women in a very gray light, and I like that. [00:32:08] Speaker B: Did you watch House of Dragon? [00:32:10] Speaker A: No. I watched whatever you watched, and whatever I saw, gray. [00:32:14] Speaker B: That's what I was like. I was like, we didn't watch it together because we recently watched things together. And that one we did not watch together. [00:32:19] Speaker A: No, no. But I watched what you watched, like, a few of the episodes, and what I actually saw was actually quite good. They were not good people, per se, I don't think. [00:32:29] Speaker B: Anyway, no one's ever good. [00:32:30] Speaker A: Exactly. We kind of asked. Oh, Cersei was an asshole. But I loved her. I loved her character. So I believe that it's possibly likely because obviously, on a TV series, you're able to flesh, out, you know, female characters and you can give them more depth, like the Scandal lady, wasn't it? Olivia Pope and Annalise Keaton and Meredith Gray and all these legendary and fantastic female characters and Queen. The Queen Charlotte, and you can kind of flesh them out and put more money towards it. And you know that women are going to watch it because women watch tv. So I'm loving, loving, loving, loving, loving that. And also behind the characters, like you mentioned, Shonda Rhimes, and also Deborah Chow, who did the Mandalorian. I know that it's only men mainly, but she's the director and thumbs up, in my opinion. And who else have I got? I know I've got examples in here, but I refuse to read because I don't really know anything about her. She came up as one of, like, the most. I'm speaking of 11. I didn't watch Stranger Things, but she's a hate record. Yeah, yeah, I'll get to that. But yeah, there's also Wednesday Addams. There's Issa from Issa Rae's. Issa Rae's character. Anything recent? Excuse me? You know that the character. I know people kind of laugh at it and joke at it, but the Sex Life series, the woman in that. [00:33:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:54] Speaker A: I think her character was actually quite silly. In some instances, however, I liked her character. I like. Yeah. Essentially City. In some instances, like certain decisions. That girl. Now, come on, why did you do that type thing? However, it's. It's. In my opinion, it's. It's quite real. Right. Women do, but not. We're not saints. And I have such an issue with just sometimes portraying us as saints. I'm not saying that there aren't women that are saints. Of course they are. But it's. It's. It's more complicated than that. We're not just one way, in my opinion, anyway, so going off of a whole list of badass female characters. Olivia Pope, Annelise Keaton. Wednesday Ashoka, the girl in Last of Us. The ladies in House of Dragons. You know what? Huge shout out to Lana. Holding us down since time in Hollywood animation. Ally. Yeah. And the ladies of Bob's Burgers. Shout out to you lot. Holding us down since time. Marge Simpson, you know, the little wife in American Dads. You've been doing your thing. Shout out to you. Couldn't have been easy. [00:35:12] Speaker B: Wow. [00:35:13] Speaker A: I said what I said. [00:35:14] Speaker B: You've got Futurama. Is it Futurama? [00:35:16] Speaker A: I didn't really watch Futurama, but shout out to the One Eye lady. You also been doing your thing. [00:35:22] Speaker B: Been watching Futurama? [00:35:23] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Shout out to all the ladies in the sitcoms, like Malcolm in the Middle, Deseret Housewives, Devious Maids. I mean, those were mainly women led, right? [00:35:31] Speaker B: Actually, girlfriends. [00:35:33] Speaker A: Girlfriends, Girlfriends. Girlfriends. Yeah, yeah. While she wrote that sentence, I was. [00:35:41] Speaker B: Like, I love girlfriends. [00:35:42] Speaker A: Yeah. And the Tweens. Is it two become one? That's a raven. Eh? Shout out to Victorious. [00:35:53] Speaker B: Wow. [00:35:54] Speaker A: Yeah. I totally forgot about the Disney side of this, actually. Or like the, you know, the teeny bop side. Shout out to Vanessa Hudgens. [00:36:01] Speaker B: Hannah Montana. [00:36:02] Speaker A: Hannah Montana. [00:36:05] Speaker B: Hannah Learning. Two Steps Young. [00:36:11] Speaker A: Oh, yes. Shout out to the powerpuff girls. [00:36:14] Speaker B: The OG. [00:36:15] Speaker A: The OGs. Yeah. So, yeah. So obviously, because I'm not really in. I don't really know what the kids are watching these days, but I'm just. I'm hoping that there's a lot of female representation there. Towards the end of my side, there was the princess. What's her name? In regular. That regular show. Princess on something. [00:36:33] Speaker B: Something bubblegum. [00:36:36] Speaker A: She was very popular. I think she was popular. [00:36:39] Speaker B: But not as popular as Marcel Vampo. Marcella Marshall. No, the Vampire Queen. People who have watched and by the time know who the Vampire Queen is. [00:36:47] Speaker A: Right. [00:36:48] Speaker B: But I was about to say the voice actor from Foster's Home. Imaginary Girl. Frederick's Friends. [00:36:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:54] Speaker B: She was such an iconic voice actor. She's voice acted so many characters, both male and female. I want to. I can't remember her name. [00:37:01] Speaker A: Oh, right. Okay. Also in television, shout out to Ms. Marvel, the lady in the Queen. Grand bits. I want to. Begrudgingly. Also shout out to Euphoria. [00:37:09] Speaker B: Euphoria. [00:37:10] Speaker A: It is a good series. [00:37:12] Speaker B: I just hate the breaks. [00:37:14] Speaker A: Yeah. That's why I said begrudgingly in it. It's a very interesting story. Very heartfelt as well, and quite complicated. And while talking about shout outs, a special shout out to Nicole Kidman and Hobigs. I'm joking. Nicole Kidman. Rude. Nicole Kidman in Baby Girl. Interesting to say Baby Girl is the name of the film, right? [00:37:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Baby Girl. [00:37:48] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm very curious how that actually came to her and why she kind of. She's probably said this, to be honest. I've just not paid attention or enough attention and why she kind of decided to do the story. But yeah, anyway, shout out to her specifically, though, is her commitment to female directors. So she has been recognized for her work when it comes to significant contributions to the film industry. Right. She placed in 2017, I believe, to consistently work with female directors and has upheld this promise. So she has amplified the representation of women behind the camera. And that is fantastic. She's used her voice and her clout. Sorry, in a good way. And I love to see that. It's the Nicole Kidman effect. Also special shout out to a woman in stem. Now, I'm not in stem. However, I have seen this woman's name pop up quite a few times. Her name is Zara Darcy. No, read. Read this. [00:38:53] Speaker B: Sara Darcy, 25, left her bioengineering PhD program to become an OnlyFans content creator. I mean, I hear it read, keep going. Making over $1 million. I hear it still. She runs two pages on OnlyFans, one for explicit content and another for free STEM lessons. Her unique blend of education and eroticism has engineered significant success with her educational post featuring playful twits. Twits. Twists. [00:39:20] Speaker A: Twists. Yeah. So she kind of plays on like two quite important things, education and sex, in my opinion, and I think it's fantastic. And yeah, keep doing you. And she's so. She's so young as well. I hope to see what the future has for her and I hope everything kind of goes well. There's also the lady, the madam that we saw online. She also came from. From. From a STEM industry. She like, she literally runs the whole thing and I think that that's fantastic. And women, pioneering women, I think is great. Special shout out as well to Chimamanga Ngozi Adiche. Right, mama. See you. I see you representing. Yeah. If there ain't no fan of yours left, I must have gone. I'm just saying because I think you're fantastic. My first thing was I first encountered her with purple hibiscus that I read when I was in Jess one in 2009. And thank you. Your. Your paper got me an A. My first A ever. I tell a lie, actually. Yes. In literature. Yeah. My first proper A, A plus. So thank you for that. Actually she probably radicalized me, actually, like proper, proper radicalization. But yeah, she. Her contribution to feminism in Nigeria and actually not just in Nigeria, in the whole world and telling our stories and her stories and why she believes we should all be feminists. She did like a TED Talk, I believe, years and years ago now, which was really great. And she keeps pioneering and she keeps moving forward and she keeps doing these things and just breaking barriers and it's just said, wow, you know, it's great to see, especially with the climate of women's rights right now in Nigeria and the way things are going. She's a beacon, bro. Also, another shout out. Now, I do not know these women's politics. I kind of just know what I see of them online and what they've done. So what's that thing you said that we need to. I'm just saying, right. I don't want to. I don't want someone to start commenting. Oh, did you know that she's something. I'm just saying they're still doing good. Anyway, shout out to Funke Adeye as well for advocating for justice. She is a Nigerian human rights lawyer. And a social entrepreneur. And she does really good things. She advocates for the people who can't advocate for themselves. And she, her main hope or her main drive is to reduce racism and to kind of promote integration and kind of people working together. And that's a very optimistic view that I believe we still need in the world. So I'm for it. Also special shout out to the goddess herself, Serena Williams. I shall always root for you. Don't care. You are one of a kind. You have done so much for women in sports and yeah, man, get your coin. And last but not least, obviously Shonda Rhimes. She's been there since day that I can remember with her and Oprah actually. But I feel like these days if you say Oprah's name three times, tragedy. Anyway, I'm probably gonna cut that out. Her and Tyler Perry, it's like if you say their name, the Americans are just gonna lose their minds. And you, it's like you're calling the conspiracy theorists to. To your side of the world. Yeah, apparently they're like Illuminati or something. Oh, no. But anyway, shout out to Shonda Rhimes. You've been doing your thing since time. We've already talked about you, so I don't particularly think maybe I should keep going. But she's pioneered the way for writers and for women and I love that. And thank you to all the women that we have spoken about today and that we will continue to talk about. Yeah, that's the end. That's it for me. So the next one is red light, green light. And we shall be red light, grey lighting, big little eyes. [00:43:23] Speaker B: So we haven't watched this season one uniday. So if I'm incorrect about my opinion, it's lack of memory. [00:43:29] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. This. Should I be transparent? This is a last minute addition. Totally forgot about red, green light. And then I was like a few hours ago, oh my God, what should we do for a language night? [00:43:42] Speaker B: But yeah. [00:43:44] Speaker A: All right. So Celeste, Celeste Wright. Oh, sorry. What do you think? Red or green? [00:43:50] Speaker B: Celeste was the one that was married. Right. We wanted to have a perfect family. [00:43:53] Speaker A: Yes, the one with the twin boys and the husband. [00:43:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm gonna put her as an amber. She tries really hard, but at the same time, because she's trying so hard, she does make. I mean, her mistakes are her mistakes, but at the same time I feel like she's very gray. Like her judgment of things, of people, though, they're framed for her. That her judgment on people is framed for her experience. It's not always the best judgment of people, in my opinion. [00:44:19] Speaker A: I'm surprisingly going to actually give her a green because she was the kindest of them all. [00:44:28] Speaker B: That is very true. [00:44:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, she was very kind. She was very open when she was challenged, when her, her opinion of someone that she loved was challenged, she, you know, she, there was no doubt. She was like, okay, okay, like I hear you. She took her time to kind of think things through. I mean, she was being, she was being abused. [00:44:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:51] Speaker A: She was on top of, you know, looking after her sons that were growing up to be a little bit loopy. You know, they were the ones doing the things that Ziggy was being accused of or one of them was being the one doing the thing that is ego was being accused of doing. So, yeah, I think when she, she's agreeing because of what she did. Once she heard about the things that her husband had done and the things that her kid has done, just in case, you know, some of. Some people haven't watched it. She was very proactive with the information that she got. So that's why I'm giving her a green. Good complex character. Not gray, amber. When it comes to Jesus Christ, open your eyes. Like, I know you're kind, but my God, just wanted to shake her a lot, like break her. But yeah, she's, she's, she's a green for me. How about Jane? [00:45:48] Speaker B: Jane's green. [00:45:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:45:50] Speaker B: She tries her best for her son and she's a hard working mother. She's a single mother, but she did the best. Yeah, she's doing her best and she has a very positive attitude. I don't know where her positivity comes from, but she has a positive attitude. [00:46:02] Speaker A: Right. Where did that come from? Really? Because life did dealt her, it dealt with her, that's for sure. But yeah, she, she gets a green for me as well. How about Bonnie? [00:46:14] Speaker B: Can't remember Bonnie's story, to be honest. [00:46:16] Speaker A: Bonnie is the husband, is the wife of this one's. Of Madeline's ex husband, you know, the new wife. And then they had a kid together. [00:46:22] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:46:23] Speaker A: And she was losing. That's what I put her. At last we're going to get to her. [00:46:26] Speaker B: Madeline's a little bit overbearing in my opinion. [00:46:29] Speaker A: She. [00:46:29] Speaker B: She couldn't move on. [00:46:30] Speaker A: Yeah, but Bunny gets a green really for me. [00:46:34] Speaker B: She took it with someone's wife. [00:46:36] Speaker A: She didn't take. She met him after they had the whole dealing. Maybe an, an amber for the choice in man, but you know, at least she wasn't Bitchy. Yeah, she wasn't. She's very grounded. Very. Yeah. I'm sure she had her own prejudice and her own opinions, but they were somewhat. She was okay to have them because Madeleine was. And then Renessa Renssa was bougie, wasn't she? [00:47:07] Speaker B: She was the rich one. [00:47:07] Speaker A: Yes. The rich, snobby one with the slob of a husband. [00:47:13] Speaker B: I'ma put her as an ambar. [00:47:16] Speaker A: It was a thing with the kid, with her child. I was like, are you all right? It seemed like she kind of encouraged her daughter to be a bully, and I didn't like that. She was like, oh, it's either you be eaten or you eat. Because she's like this, you know, bored ass business woman type type stuff. But your kid is Willy. Calm down. But, yeah, complicated, because obviously her husband ain't shit, but. Oh, well. Next. Madeline. [00:47:48] Speaker B: What's her number? [00:47:49] Speaker A: Definitely. Actually, she's a red flag. She's a walking red flag. What makes her red, she, unfortunately, is her anxiety. That just makes her. She. She just needs to settle. Like, she cheated on her husband. [00:48:01] Speaker B: Yes. [00:48:02] Speaker A: With the theater guy. [00:48:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:04] Speaker A: The one that wanted to be with her. And then she'll come home and snap at him. The poor guy was doing the best he could. She's the one who decided to marry him. The poor guy was quite literally doing everything he could for her. For her, and she just couldn't find happiness in it. Baby girl needs therapy. [00:48:27] Speaker B: Maybe she just married one person. [00:48:28] Speaker A: I bet you if she had done gone to therapy, she would have ended up like, what's that girl's name in you? I'm born in therapy as well. Nonsense. [00:48:38] Speaker B: You call me saying these things. You coming out in April? [00:48:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. But. Yeah. You say she's Amber. [00:48:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:54] Speaker A: Yeah. She's a red flag to me. All right, so next is our this or that. Yep. [00:49:01] Speaker B: Four female characters in film. [00:49:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:49:04] Speaker B: Okay. Do you want to start or should I start? [00:49:07] Speaker A: Oh, you can start. Oh, I did 20 because it was hard. [00:49:11] Speaker B: You 20? [00:49:12] Speaker A: They're 20. [00:49:13] Speaker B: I'm gonna take out five. [00:49:14] Speaker A: Don't do that. It's literally a quick run through 20. I couldn't. Everyone needed to be shouted out. [00:49:23] Speaker B: Okay. Peggy Carter from Captain America, the First Avenger. Or Mystique. [00:49:30] Speaker A: Hmm. Damn. Mystique was actually. She's very morally gray. She's always been morally gray. I'll go for Peggy. She's a safe bet. A woman in the 90s doing her thing, you know, 90s 60s. Sorry. [00:49:45] Speaker B: She had a thing with Captain America as well. [00:49:46] Speaker A: Yeah, she did. [00:49:47] Speaker B: She Did. [00:49:47] Speaker A: Yeah. She didn't have a thing. It wasn't a thing. It was a whole thing. It was the whole thing. It actually went back to the past for her. I know, I know, right? I mean, that's love right there. [00:49:59] Speaker B: Oh, true love. [00:50:00] Speaker A: This is good. [00:50:02] Speaker B: Okay, Peggy Carter or Amy from Gone Girl. [00:50:11] Speaker A: Now this is where my toxicity comes through. Peggy, I love you down. You hold down Captain America. You know, you're a good woman. But you see, women need to show men pepper sometimes. My girl Amy Dunn gets it. Okay. [00:50:29] Speaker B: Amy or Bernie from Wait to Excel. Excel. [00:50:36] Speaker A: Oh, have you seen Waiting to Excel? [00:50:38] Speaker B: No. [00:50:39] Speaker A: Wait until Excel is another one for women friends. Or women of color. Or African American women. Sorry, interesting story. But she. She. Her husband was chasing on her. She founds out, and then she does this whole legendary, like, thing where she burns his car and all his things. Yeah, but that's. That's her. Sorry, Amy still. Yeah, yeah. [00:51:02] Speaker B: Okay, whilst you're talking, what came to my head was Hidden Figures. We didn't mention it at all. And Hidden Figures was iconic. [00:51:08] Speaker A: Yeah, actually. Shit. [00:51:10] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:51:10] Speaker A: I'm so sorry. [00:51:11] Speaker B: Hidden Figures was iconic just for the portrayal of the history of what? [00:51:13] Speaker A: The impact of women in every space. [00:51:17] Speaker B: Not even just women. Black women. [00:51:18] Speaker A: Women. Yeah. [00:51:20] Speaker B: So shout out to Hidden Figures. Sorry for forgetting to mention you, but you are impactful. [00:51:25] Speaker A: Very much so, yeah. Oh, damn. [00:51:30] Speaker B: So Amy or Maleficent from. Maleficent. Maleficent. [00:51:36] Speaker A: Oh, Maleficent. [00:51:37] Speaker B: Oh, wait, Amy. [00:51:38] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:51:39] Speaker B: Where's Amy on this list? There she is, love. [00:51:42] Speaker A: Maleficent. I haven't had a whole arc of. [00:51:45] Speaker B: Like, Shuri from Black Panther. [00:51:51] Speaker A: Maleficent. [00:51:53] Speaker B: Bite of Sherry. [00:51:56] Speaker A: Damn. Okay, and it's Maleficent from the film. [00:52:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:01] Speaker A: Maleficent. [00:52:02] Speaker B: Maleficent or the Bride. Beatrix from Killer Bill. Kill Bill. [00:52:06] Speaker A: Oh, the Bride. [00:52:11] Speaker B: Okay, the Bride or Rapunzel from Tangled. [00:52:18] Speaker A: I know the answer to this one. It is the bride. However, shout out to you my girl with the pan. [00:52:26] Speaker B: Oh, Rapunzel. We didn't mention Tiana from prison. [00:52:31] Speaker A: She was on the list. I took her out. [00:52:33] Speaker B: Oh, wonder why not. List of 20. You don't feel like 21 is enough? [00:52:39] Speaker A: Look, I had to really narrow down this list. Yeah, did you see the first one I sent in the group chat? Exactly. That had so many people. And then I scrolled up, I saw yours. I said, shit. And so I had to go back to narrow it down to what you see here. [00:52:55] Speaker B: What did I say? [00:52:56] Speaker A: Last one was the Bride. [00:52:58] Speaker B: The Bride one. Right. [00:52:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:59] Speaker B: Right. So the Bride Or Mulan from Mulan Live action movie. [00:53:05] Speaker A: I love Milan. She's literally my favorite of all time in anywhere. I love her. Down. Damn. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I really like the bride. Like, her story is so sad. So she's like, part of this assassin's group, right? And, like, she's a badass. And, like, she's the current partner of, like, the leader, right? And she's also, like, part of these assassins. So she finds out she's pregnant with his child, and she's like, oh, my God, okay, fine. I'm gonna leave this life and go know. Just because it's dangerous, right? So she goes. She meets a man, and then her. The leader of the assassin, he finds her. He's like, oh, you're pregnant for another man type thing. He's like, go kill them. Like, he sends his people to go kill them, and then they go. They kill her. They kill them. They shoot her right in the head. She goes, right? She goes into a coma, and then she wakes up, and then she finds out that Bill has killed her lover and she's no longer pregnant and where's the child? So she starts on a thing for revenge, and she's just killing everybody and killing everybody and killing everybody, and it's fantastic. And then obviously, at the end, she obviously kills Bill, and then she finds out that her child actually isn't dead, and she takes up her child and she goes. And they. [00:54:18] Speaker B: Fantastic. [00:54:19] Speaker A: It's a sunset. Yeah, it's a good, good film. But I do like Milan, so. Milan. [00:54:26] Speaker B: Are you sure? [00:54:27] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:54:30] Speaker B: I'm just the witch again, but I cross it all. [00:54:32] Speaker A: Milan. [00:54:33] Speaker B: Okay. [00:54:34] Speaker A: She did a man's job and more. I don't know. [00:54:36] Speaker B: Milan or Okoye from the girl Milaj. [00:54:41] Speaker A: Is. Is that what they're called? [00:54:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:46] Speaker A: I really like. Okay, okay. [00:54:51] Speaker B: Milan or Lara from Team Reader. [00:54:54] Speaker A: Oh, Lara Croft. Lara had daddy issues. [00:55:01] Speaker B: Is that your final answer? [00:55:05] Speaker A: It's not. It's just. I like Lara, but she's very. She's very adventurous. She has that spirit, you know? But so does Milan. So. Milan. [00:55:14] Speaker B: Okay. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. [00:55:21] Speaker A: Sorry, Karen. [00:55:23] Speaker B: Milan or Wonder Woman? [00:55:25] Speaker A: Ah, Diana Prince. Oh. Oh, my God. I'm not doing that, am I? No, no, no, no. That's crazy. That's insane. Milan. [00:55:56] Speaker B: Wow. Okay. Milan or Catherine from Basic Instinct. [00:56:03] Speaker A: That's the one I was telling you about that she. Oh. This opening scene in Basic Instinct 2. Driving, driving, driving. A man is literally like fingers down her pants as she's driving and then she just drives it right into the Thames. And then she's like, oh, let me try and save the guy. No, she just swings away. [00:56:26] Speaker B: We love that for women. [00:56:28] Speaker A: We love a toxic bae on this here podcast. We love a toxic woman. We land there. I think a lot of these women. I just want to talk about them, really. That's why they're on here, because they're iconic, in my opinion. [00:56:44] Speaker B: Mulan or Anyota. [00:56:46] Speaker A: Oh, yes. Uhuru. [00:56:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:49] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Uhuru as in the one in the Star Trek films of 20 2009. 10. One of them's gone. Yeah. I can't believe I did that. Oh, my God. Wow. [00:57:04] Speaker B: Anyotta or M from James Bond? [00:57:10] Speaker A: Uhuru. However, shout out to who? Lady Dench, my dear. Here, Miss Judy Dench. Talk about an iconic woman. She's iconic. Yeah. [00:57:27] Speaker B: Anyotta or Elle woods from Legally Blonde. [00:57:30] Speaker A: Oh, I love me Elle. You know who's missing from this list? [00:57:33] Speaker B: Who? [00:57:34] Speaker A: The same. What's her name? The. The. The. The woman that wrist with a spoon. The character she did in that. Oh, the one with her ex husband. They did a new one for Amazon Prime. People did a new one. Oh, my God. With the one that was snorting cocaine in a. In a. In a. In a little necklace thing. That was a cross pendant something. Geller. She's missing from here. Anyway, Iconic. I forget her name. If I remember. I'll put it here somewhere. But Elle woods is fantastic. But I gotta give it to my girl. Who? [00:58:16] Speaker B: Anyotta. I'm staring. [00:58:18] Speaker A: Oh, I forget that's her name, you know, because they tend to go by their last names, like when they're calling them on the thing. [00:58:25] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:58:26] Speaker A: Yeah. I really like Spock and. Who. Who and Spock? They got together. [00:58:33] Speaker B: I'm happy for them. [00:58:34] Speaker A: Me too. I'm very much happy for them as well. Shout out to Elle woods, though. Can I go back to Milan? [00:58:44] Speaker B: Nope, already cancelled. So Uhuru or the person you said from the Nollywood kingdom, says Nollywood from the Nollywood Kings. Nollywood's King of Boys. It's Enoya and what's that one? [00:59:04] Speaker A: Oh, Enyola Salami. Oh. From King of Boys. [00:59:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:08] Speaker A: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. That is a badass woman. Enyola gets it. Ms. Alaji. Alaja. Sorry. Salami gets it. Come on, Salami. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:59:18] Speaker B: Okay. [00:59:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:20] Speaker B: Salami or Evelyn. Salt from Salt. [00:59:24] Speaker A: Oh, wow. That's actually a perfect pairing. Was, weirdly enough. Wow. Salami. [00:59:39] Speaker B: Okay. Salami or baby doll. Must suck A punch. [00:59:46] Speaker A: I choose to believe that Baby Doll had a good ending. Baby Doll. [00:59:51] Speaker B: Baby Doll. Okay, Baby Doll or Olivia from eca. [00:59:58] Speaker A: I got a. I got a. I got a. I got a. I got a. I'm sorry. Composure. Now. [01:00:09] Speaker B: Easy. [01:00:09] Speaker A: A is the kind of like a play on type thing of the girl with the Scarlet Letter thing. Never read the book, but I know it's like a huge thing in America. Easy is really good. The girls, she's good, but I stick with Ms. Salami. [01:00:29] Speaker B: No, you already come from Salami. You're on Baby Doll. [01:00:32] Speaker A: Oh, right. Baby Doll. Sorry, sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Baby Doll. [01:00:35] Speaker B: And that is our winner. [01:00:36] Speaker A: Baby Doll. Really? Oh, wow. Milani is our real winner. But no, no, I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it. Baby Dog. Interesting. From Suckerpong, which is actually, in my opinion, is a good film. Yeah. Okay, cool, cool, cool. Your turn. Katniss Everdeen v. Elizabeth from Pride and Pride and Prejudice. [01:00:59] Speaker B: They're both very different characters, you know. Well, so Elizabeth, she has my heart. Because who doesn't want to swing Podarcy? [01:01:06] Speaker A: Interesting. Anyway, Elizabeth from Pride and Prejudice or Elizabeth from Bad Teachers. It's the battle of the Elizabeths. [01:01:17] Speaker B: Elizabeth. Pride and Prejudice. [01:01:19] Speaker A: I reckon she's probably gonna win this whole thing. I actually forgot to add her. I like her as well. Elizabeth Bennett. Bennett, sorry. Or Shuri. [01:01:31] Speaker B: This is hard because Shuri is iconic. Because Shuri in Black Panther, she's very, like, scientific. She's not like the princess that they all imagined her to be. And she does see her help her brother out quite a lot with the power suit. And then her mother was during the grieving process and she took on. She was half running the country while someone was grieving. And then Pride and Prejudice. Elizabeth. Yeah, she's my girl, you know, like me and her. As I said on our previous POD episode, there's not a year that goes by and I do not watch Pride of Prejudice. [01:02:08] Speaker A: That's actually true. [01:02:08] Speaker B: It's not a year. [01:02:09] Speaker A: It's not just actually Friday. It's the whole thing. So I watched the British. The British. The series. The one with Colin Firth. And then I watch the film and then I watch all the other ones. Like Death in Pemberley, the one where, like, Elizabeth is, like, now in, like, modern times. I forget what that one's called. Like, little weird spin offs of, like, Pride and Prejudice. [01:02:32] Speaker B: Did you know Pride and Precious Zombies was a thing? [01:02:34] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I do. Never watched it, but I thought, wow. [01:02:40] Speaker B: But yeah, there's not a year that's gone by that will ever go by. It's like. [01:02:43] Speaker A: It's like a Pride and Prejudice arc, quite literally. And it's sometimes times it turns into. What's the name of the writer with the whole sense of sensibility, you know? Jane Austen. Like, it turns. It starts with Project Prejudice, and then I finish that whole thing, and then, you know. Yeah. And then I just venture into the other ones. Because why not? Like it's there. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. So Elizabeth. Elizabeth Bennett or Emily from Fairplay. [01:03:13] Speaker B: Oh, I like Fair Play. I like Emily as well. This is the only part where Elizabeth would lose, because Emily was about her money. She was about her. Her work and her career. And she was willing to stand for it. Not like she got essayed, but she got. But she didn't get over it. But she did come to a resolution with her boss. It wasn't the best solution, but a solution. [01:03:43] Speaker A: Not fair play. So Emily from Fair Play. [01:03:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:51] Speaker A: Emily from Fairplay to Lisa Miller from Girls group. [01:03:59] Speaker B: Ah. Okay. Lisa was fun. She was a mother. She got out. She got loose. But I'm still gonna stick with Fair play. [01:04:09] Speaker A: Okay. Let's get her out. Okay. So Emily v. Ryan Pierce from Girls Trip as well. [01:04:23] Speaker B: Oh, Ryan. She had a whole thing with her man that was cheating on her. Poor girl. Poor girl. But she had good friends that stood by her. She did. She did. I'm gonna stick with Emily on the basis that she was willing to cut ties with the man that was hurting her. Yeah. [01:04:47] Speaker A: Fair pay. All right. Emily the Wonder Woman. [01:04:56] Speaker B: Wonder Woman. Because she is literally the Amazon Princess. How could we not want the Amazon Princess to win? [01:05:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, she was. In my opinion, actually. I think she was actually quite. She was. Well written. Diana Prince. [01:05:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:05:11] Speaker A: All right. [01:05:11] Speaker B: As well. [01:05:12] Speaker A: Diana Prince v Ramona from Hustlers. [01:05:17] Speaker B: You watch Hustlers? [01:05:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:26] Speaker B: Ramona from Hustlers. Okay. Only cautious guns. Men are funny. Very toxic. But I stand by my decision. [01:05:40] Speaker A: You know what? Fair Play. Now, Ramona v. Nakia. Nakia. [01:05:51] Speaker B: Nikita was telling me to go with my liking. [01:05:53] Speaker A: That's why she's not on my list. You see? Okay. Is on my list. Shuri's on my list. [01:05:57] Speaker B: But she was a good fighter. She was very automatic as well. [01:05:59] Speaker A: But that love. Love thing. Wow. Okay. I think that says a lot more about me than it does her character. But we'll move. Okay, we have your winner. [01:06:10] Speaker B: Is it really? [01:06:11] Speaker A: Yeah. Ramona from Hustler. So that is it for this episode. Thank you very much for listening. If you have enjoyed it, let us know. Also let us know who your favorite female leads are and which women have had impacts in your life. Also on the outro, the most important woman in my life is my mother. Shout out to the best woman I've ever known in my entire life. She is fantastic. She's great. She's better than every single one of these women that I've mentioned today. And I stand by that. She's my icon. She's my. What do you call this? Role model. That's it. We may disagree, but I love that woman down. So happy international Women's Day to my mother, a boss ass bitch. Anyway, on a proper outro, thank you very much for listening. Let us know who your female favorite female leads are. Female directors, is there anyone that you think needs more recognition? Anyone that we've missed? Right. And anyone you'd like to add to our list. So actually, how would you do our rankings of the people that we've ranked today? Who are your favorite of all time? And yeah, comment below wherever you're seeing this on YouTube or Spotify or anywhere. [01:07:29] Speaker B: You get your podcast. [01:07:31] Speaker A: So, yeah, thank you very much for listening. Well, if you've got anything to any sign out any notes. [01:07:37] Speaker B: No, I think you've covered everything. [01:07:38] Speaker A: Alrighty. Bye.